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05-12-2008, 12:40 AM
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Yes on all 3. Richardson, Clinton & Sebelius.
Each has their advantages.
I think overall though in the strategy the order of strength would be,
1. Clinton
2. Richardson
3. Sebelius
A lot will depend on how Clinton lands the plane.
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05-12-2008, 12:41 AM
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Of course it is... Social standards predict a person's influence on his/her surroundings... My father taught me this when Im was very young...
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Good or bad influences I guess....don't think money makes the person, Fly...that sounds very much like conservative speak. Anyway, some of the very best people I have ever met in my life were not necessarily well off...
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05-12-2008, 12:45 AM
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Yes on all 3. Richardson, Clinton & Sebelius.
Each has their advantages.
I think overall though in the strategy the order of strength would be,
1. Clinton
2. Richardson
3. Sebelius
A lot will depend on how Clinton lands the plane.
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An Obama/Clinton ticket would turn the nation bright blue. Neither of them are really mentioning the other right now except in complimentary comments. It might be kiss and make up time.
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05-12-2008, 12:48 AM
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An Obama/Clinton ticket would turn the nation bright blue. Neither of them are really mentioning the other right now except in complimentary comments. It might be kiss and make up time.
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I will not be surprised if it goes that way.
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05-12-2008, 12:48 AM
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William Kristol is already fretting about it , because polls indicate an Obama/Clinton ticket would win by a wide margin over an McCain/Romney ticket.
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05-12-2008, 12:48 AM
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Beating John McCain in November is the primary goal of this primary season.
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Hilllary really needs to focus on this reality, it cannot be more important as an issue right now. A massive cut in the state budget in TN is in the works and we totally rely in sales tax (got and email on this two days ago, this is not good at all). 60% of the people in East TN are in Gov jobs (Oakridge Labs, UTK, ect) but overwhelmingly voted for Bush and also did not vote for Harold Ford Jr., I hope they pull thier heads out of their collective asses this time. In TN we rely on a 'conservative' model of no income tax and yet again it is totally screwing us. We have a Dem gov that is having to make these choices, HE IS THE ONE PROPOSING THE MASSIVE CUTS. This is why the Republican party is again losing more ground and their policies are draw us further into the sewer. Basically the Dem party justs needs to move Hillary out and start hitting hard on what the Rep policies have done around the country in tanking the economic system.
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05-12-2008, 12:57 AM
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A lot will depend on how Clinton lands the plane.
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This is a terrific way to put it. She is still on a flight path to over shoot the runway and smash into some big trees across the highway. She really does need to smell the coffee this week. The Superdelegate thing the past few days is the grim reality for her. She has to realize there are no 'Super Duper Delegates' and she does NOT get the votes from MI and FL. Whether she wins or losses in WV I am not seeing the advantage of staying in this any longer. Even if she switches over to a non-confrontational rhetoric (via Obama), is it not better she be the VP running mate a go after McCain and the Republicans in that capacity? She would be Obama's 'attack dog'...you can't get better than that for an attack dog.
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05-12-2008, 12:57 AM
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Hilllary really needs to focus on this reality, it cannot be more important as an issue right now. A massive cut in the state budget in TN is in the works and we totally rely in sales tax (got and email on this two days ago, this is not good at all). 60% of the people in East TN are in Gov jobs (Oakridge Labs, UTK, ect) but overwhelmingly voted for Bush and also did not vote for Harold Ford Jr., I hope they pull thier heads out of their collective asses this time. In TN we rely on a 'conservative' model of no income tax and yet again it is totally screwing us. We have a Dem gov that is having to make these choices, HE IS THE ONE PROPOSING THE MASSIVE CUTS. This is why the Republican party is again losing more ground and their policies are draw us further into the sewer. Basically the Dem party justs needs to move Hillary out and start hitting hard on what the Rep policies have done around the country in tanking the economic system.
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Yes, I agree. The economy is in a downward spiral and the elephant in the room with Iraq. It is difficult to imagine that any thoughtful person would consider McCain at this point, but then remember 2004. McCain is lining up the same people as Bush for advisors ..unreal. I just see the Obama/Clinton ticket as a win/win and an assured victory.
Her position on healthcare and ability to maneuver in DC is a strength. Obama is phenomenal and has such leadership. They would take Ohio, Pennsylvania for certain and Florida most likely if there is a fusion ticket. If not, I am not sure.
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05-12-2008, 01:00 AM
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William Kristol is already fretting about it , because polls indicate an Obama/Clinton ticket would win by a wide margin over an McCain/Romney ticket.
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Then, he should be fretting.
If this is truthful then the coat tails will be long and people like even Mrs. Dole will lose their seats in the Senate as well as many others in the house to Dems.
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05-12-2008, 01:08 AM
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Yes, I agree. The economy is in a downward spiral and the elephant in the room with Iraq. It is difficult to imagine that any thoughtful person would consider McCain at this point, but then remember 2004. McCain is lining up the same people as Bush for advisors ..unreal. I just see the Obama/Clinton ticket as a win/win and an assured victory.
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The scary thought of an 'October surprise' is looming and I would not put it past inside operatives to do what Nixon did in 1968 to Humphrey. Facts are that Johnson had made long endroads for negociations in Vietnam and Nixon sabatoged it so Humphrey would look bad (only a month before the election). Not to worry, there are 527's out there ready to come to McCain's defense and try to torpedo any Dem ticket.
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Her position on healthcare and ability to maneuver in DC is a strength. Obama is phenomenal and has such leadership. They would take Ohio, Pennsylvania for certain and Florida most likely if there is a fusion ticket. If not, I am not sure.
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If she really wants healthcare overhauled then her best possible position is to be the President of the Senate (in the VPs chair). She would wield exactly the power she has wanted in order to get this done.
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