McCain's gettin' friskey....

Sir Les Patterson · #11 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

>>>All the more power to him - unless it corrupted his vote, eh?

He's an improvement in a country where all a dry drunken drug addict and a professional life failure, that parasitically and socialistically lived off of his fathers wealth and reputation all his life - who would have fucked a mangy dog on a chain in a high wind when he was on the fire-water - needs to do to become Presidunce is say G-E-E-ZUS! is his favourite filosafa and they are on first name terms, and the Christian inculcated American electorate treat him as the Second Coming.

Hurricane · #12 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

Apparently he is accused of having an affair with a lobbyist... and evryone is denying it. Duh.

I don't buy it, the guy can't barely move his freakin' arms.
Maybe he gives good lip service.

Studies have shown senior citizens have a better sex life than those in thier 30's and 40's.

Maybe this is why Huckabee stayed in the race. Apparently the rumors have been around since Dec.

I just wonder, would this guy ruin his chances for the nomination when he is a shoe in? Good God, it's taken him long enough to get here. I guess we'll just see what happens.

This will go away. It's an obvious attempt to smear McCain. Even if it's not, who really cares who McCain screwed 8 years ago?

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Originally Posted by GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong

Now Nature, this story is going to go nowhere & he’s going to be around to battle your girl until the end…

He's not going to be battling a girl.

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Originally Posted by GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong

Yea, I am a business owner & the fact that Obama will demand that I provide health care to all & if I don’t he will impose a mandatory tax on my “payroll”, not to mention a SS hike that will be flying right out of my pocket along with the next round of min-wage increases.
Durn, that was a mouth full….And that’s just part of his plan…………….

I have all but lost faith in the voting department……

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

As you know I own a business also, I forgot you did too. Due to my business I pay more than min. wage, so that wasn't a worry.
But insurance, Geesh. It's utterly rediculous. I can provide a phone number to call, they can pay for their own. I have some employees who have worked with me for many years, I pay part of their insurance, cell phone bill, gas bill, if I have to pay for insuance, they will lose all other benefits. I'm sick of giving shit away. If it's enforced by the government it will no longer be something to work for.
It will be the biggest mistake in our history.

Employers like you guys are exactly why Barack wants to 'force' the issue. Not saying that derogatory because I understand that insurance is very expensive for small businesses.

In a technologically advanced society like we live in, there is no excuse for people to suffer from life threatening illnesses because they are afraid of medical bills so large they lose their savings, homes, etc... When people are that sick, they can't work to bring in money and it only makes matters worse.

It could happen to your employees. Is that what you wish for them? Something has to be done about the situation. I'm not saying that Barack has the right answer but at least he is recognizing the issue.

I guess my question to you is...as employERs, what are you going to do to alleviate the situation before the gov't steps in and 'forces' the issue???

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Originally Posted by Sir Les Patterson

What's the big deal about Hanoi Jane McCain humping a chic thirty years younger than him?

At least it was a female, which is a refreshing change for a hypocritical recent family values Republican politician. If Jane makes it, the White's House page boys would be putting away the lube and breathing a sigh of relief.

Ha! LOL.

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #13 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 07:08 PM

I'll answer w/ a question...Why should I have to? No other persons pays for my insurance.

I have a few part timers in one business, & I'm not sure if his plan will require that I cover them & their families, but why should I be obligated as an American to pay for anyones health care?

A. Crowley · #14 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 07:20 PM

Jeez! How these people Whine!

Don't you worry, GoRight!

Anybody stupid enough to be working for you part-time and for minimum wage won't be expecting you to provide a comprehensive medical plan OR retirement, so quit yer retard bitching.

Those fools are slated for the Long War anyway, along with all yer granchildren.

Got any "lists" for us?

Sam · #15 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong

I'll answer w/ a question...Why should I have to? No other persons pays for my insurance.

I have a few part timers in one business, & I'm not sure if his plan will require that I cover them & their families, but why should I be obligated as an American to pay for anyones health care?

No, his plan will not require you to cover part timers. It will enable your part timers to afford purchase of a basic plan -something that is currently unaffordable to those making minimum wage.

Just as Romney stated in his own debate-this is much more financially responsible than paying astronomically inflated healthcare bills or forcing bankruptcy on people who get forced to cover the uninsured .

naturemomma · #16 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurricane

Employers like you guys are exactly why Barack wants to 'force' the issue. Not saying that derogatory because I understand that insurance is very expensive for small businesses.

I pay $1800.00 a month for my family to have medical coverage. I know it's expensive, when you add in all the other people I pay insurance for the cost is a lovely $12,000 a month - and people like you want me to pay more - fuck that!!!! fuck that, fuck that!!!!!

What will I do as an employer? I have 16 people whom I currently employ, I currently pay 75% of insurance for the people in the lower management, I pay 50% for the non-thinking positions. I have a few others that I pay 100% of their insurance. The few that I pay everything for have been with my company for several years.

What will I do if government healthcare is enforced? I will lay a few people off, (how will that help their family?), see I am not a welfare state, I didn't get into business to take care of eveyone. I started a business to take care of my family and their future. I won't be going along with the "give shit away for free program". This country has afforded me the right to be a very successful business owner, because I worked my ass off - see that's the key here - work.

I also offer cell phones bills paid, gas bills paid, my freakin gas bill last month was six grand. When was the last time you saw a gas bill like that? My cell phone bill is about 3800.00 a month. Add in vehicle payments, maintence, landline, advertising, payroll, job costs, gets a tad bit expensive.

Then the other point is, the government has fucked up everything they touch. Medicaid and Medicare are perfect examples of this. People want me to believe, this is the one thing they'll get right? C'mon. It's going to be the worst mistake ever! Remeber Reagan and his trickle down economics - make people pay for something they can't afford and businesses will shut down and the economy will go in the toilet. The bottom line, people will get laid off so that companies can maintain their profit margain. I know, I'll do it. MY FAMILY comes first. I am a very caring person, but I will not make my family go hungry. Won't happen.

The governement can make a plan for the dying, that would fix the problem. I don't feel the need to pay for a yearly pap test. Thanks, but no fuckin' thanks.

Sir Les Patterson · #17 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

I pay $1800.00 a month for my family to have medical coverage. I know it's expensive, when you add in all the other people I pay insurance for the cost is a lovely $12,000 a month - and people like you want me to pay more - fuck that!!!! fuck that, fuck that!!!!!

What will I do as an employer? I have 16 people whom I currently employ, I currently pay 75% of insurance for the people in the lower management, I pay 50% for the non-thinking positions. I have a few others that I pay 100% of their insurance. The few that I pay everything for have been with my company for several years.

What will I do if government healthcare is enforced? I will lay a few people off, (how will that help their family?), see I am not a welfare state, I didn't get into business to take care of eveyone. I started a business to take care of my family and their future. I won't be going along with the "give shit away for free program". This country has afforded me the right to be a very successful business owner, because I worked my ass off - see that's the key here - work.

I also offer cell phones bills paid, gas bills paid, my freakin gas bill last month was six grand. When was the last time you saw a gas bill like that? My cell phone bill is about 3800.00 a month. Add in vehicle payments, maintence, landline, advertising, payroll, job costs, gets a tad bit expensive.

Then the other point is, the government has fucked up everything they touch. Medicaid and Medicare are perfect examples of this. People want me to believe, this is the one thing they'll get right? C'mon. It's going to be the worst mistake ever! Remeber Reagan and his trickle down economics - make people pay for something they can't afford and businesses will shut down and the economy will go in the toilet. The bottom line, people will get laid off so that companies can maintain their profit margain. I know, I'll do it. MY FAMILY comes first. I am a very caring person, but I will not make my family go hungry. Won't happen.

The governement can make a plan for the dying, that would fix the problem. I don't feel the need to pay for a yearly pap test. Thanks, but no fuckin' thanks.

I sympathise with you Momma. I too am an ex employer and and ex employee. (I retired ten years ago)

So you could say I have a foot on both camps.

Although in the average American's mind I would be seen as an out-and-out anarchistic atheistic "Carmmunist."

The answer for all is to shift from a corporate socialist economy to free market one.

One that no longer provides a fail-safe safety net for the obscenely bloated and obscenely bellicose US military, the affiliated MIC, and the mega corporations like car makers, banks, insurance companies and other such protected industries.

Start making stuff again, instead of borrowing money off of Asia to buy sweated Asian labour's products.

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #18 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

No, his plan will not require you to cover part timers. It will enable your part timers to afford purchase of a basic plan -something that is currently unaffordable to those making minimum wage.

Just as Romney stated in his own debate-this is much more financially responsible than paying astronomically inflated healthcare bills or forcing bankruptcy on people who get forced to cover the uninsured .

Well, I don’t know about that Sam? Per his website, he claims that Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.

Sounds like encroachment to me unless one “meets the thresholds”, *note, there are no grievances in regards to min-wage??? A “percentage of my payroll”, would otherwise be my profit…I’m not feeling this…..but……

You know what, I’ve had a great deal of fun doing this over that past ten years or so, & it’s time to sell them & move on to the next thing or not. So maybe in a year or so, this will be irrelevant where I am concerned.
I am still against the whole idea of a H/C plan that demands “some” people, business owners or the wealthy to take a penalization resulting in footing the bill.
If they can’t find the monies within the government to cover these people, then leave government out of the equation.

George O Well · #19 (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 10:03 AM

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I pay $1800.00 a month for my family to have medical coverage. I know it's expensive, when you add in all the other people I pay insurance for the cost is a lovely $12,000 a month - and people like you want me to pay more - fuck that!!!! fuck that, fuck that!!!!!

>>>I think you've fallen for the health industry scare tactics. FOTM is, if we were to get away from the hospitals, private insurance companies and HMOs where they all have to have their 30% annual return on investment, everybody would be covered, everybody would have better coverage, AND your premiums would go down.

naturemomma · #20 (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

>>>I think you've fallen for the health industry scare tactics. FOTM is, if we were to get away from the hospitals, private insurance companies and HMOs where they all have to have their 30% annual return on investment, everybody would be covered, everybody would have better coverage, AND your premiums would go down.

Me and my husband are tweighing our options on what to do.
One of my daughters has allergies and chronic ear infections and tubes. The other is fine. I had "female" problems (we'll leave it at that

) and all of these are considered pre-existing conditions. Because we don't "work" for a very large company (i.e. something like at&t) we don't have the benefit of having cheap coverage. On one hand, I pay a lot, on the other, I actually have good coverage. So the question then becomes do I trade cheap for good? If government HC is made to happen, I wouldn't have an option.

And then I heard today on NPR that McCain's ideas on HC are the same as Hillary and Obama. Weird.