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Old 05-05-2008, 10:43 PM
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Hey moron, who do you think the oil companies are going to pass any new taxes onto?
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Congrats! Your comprehension level is the lowest this week...
Really numbnuts?

Let's say Hillary decides to tax the oil companies one dollar per gallon produced. Like any other company on the planet, the oil companies would pass that tax onto what the consumers pay for their product.

Does that sink into your thick skull or do I need to type slower and use smaller words?
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Old 05-06-2008, 12:24 AM
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Really numbnuts?

Let's say Hillary decides to tax the oil companies one dollar per gallon produced. Like any other company on the planet, the oil companies would pass that tax onto what the consumers pay for their product.

Does that sink into your thick skull or do I need to type slower and use smaller words?
Of course you still don't get it... Read more about Clinton's purposal and you might understand...
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Very few economists, including Clinton supporter Paul Krugman, like the idea. They say that companies will just continue to charge the average $3.60 a gallon and just pocket the money that would have gone to federal taxes.

Clinton, in the interest of garnering votes, has purposely put forward a plan she knows wouldn't work.
To keep it short, you are an idiot and so is Krugman.

A couple of years ago a tax on airplane tickets expired. People did not know about it and for the first hour or two the airlines just pocketed the difference. Then one started selling tickets without the increased price of tickets and the rest followed behind quickly. That was a tax that NO ONE knew had expired. With the gas taxes everyone will know it in advance and the prices will drop as soon as the cut goes into effect, unless Clinton increases taxes on the oil companies in which case those increases will take the place of the federal tax, until the federal taxes come back and then the prices will rise even higher. Obama initially said that we could not afford a summer tax holiday on gasoline due to the loss of BILLIONS in revenue, BILLIONS and now he is saying it would not have much of an impact.

Bottom line is tax cuts would immediately help the consumers unless imbedded taxes by Clinton kick in.
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Gas companies announced billions of dollars in first quarter net profits. I think taht high gas prices are hurting the U.S. economy. I think to tax what Hillary calls the "windfall profits" of gas companies is in the best interest of Americans in the short term...


There comes a point when the profits have crossed the line, where in fact these profits are not only obscene, but they are destroying the economy. You cannot have a growing American economy with the current energy picture...

Hillary wants revenue from the tax to go to rebates for citizens and investments in alternative fuel sources... The gas tax holiday has surface appeal... It's a great political soundbite, but it isn't an energy policy... I think it's a quick fix scenario...
What is an obscene profit margin? How do you calculate windfall profits? These are very simple questions for which I am seeking YOUR opinion. Can you answer them for me?

Can tell me what Exxon's profit margin was in 2007? Can you tell me how much Exxon's profit grew in 2006 and how much their overall sales grew? Do you have any information on the topic?
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:18 AM
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Of course you still don't get it... Read more about Clinton's purposal and you might understand...
In other words, you still skate around making any sort of case...since Hillary will never become Prez it's a moot point anyway...consider PA, IN, and NC and she's lost ground.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:39 AM
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What is an obscene profit margin? How do you calculate windfall profits? These are very simple questions for which I am seeking YOUR opinion. Can you answer them for me?

Can tell me what Exxon's profit margin was in 2007? Can you tell me how much Exxon's profit grew in 2006 and how much their overall sales grew? Do you have any information on the topic?
I located this article...

People hear that Exxon/Mobil made $40 billion in profit in 2007 and scream “price-gouging”. Of course, price-gouging is impossible because companies don’t control the price of anything in a free market, supply and demand alone controls prices. Don’t believe it? If they do control prices, why is gas only $4/gallon and not $100/gallon? Answer: because they can’t control the price.

Money Magazine explains the parts of the price of gas. Here’s how gas prices are broken down:




68% of the cost goes to the companies, like Exxon/Mobil, that drill for oil and produce crude oil. Oil can be used to produce many things you probably use daily, not just gasoline. Refineries turn crude oil into gasoline and they get 8%. The distribution companies that deliver the gas to your local gas station also get 8%. The government takes 13%, usually for maintenance of roads. The remaining 3% goes to the gas station that sells you the gas.

Exxon’s $40 billion in 2007 is 10% of their total revenue of $400 billion. That means that Exxon’s profit margin is 10%, which is healthy, but small compared to Microsoft’s 27% profit margin or Google’s 25% profit margin. Before you complain you pay too much for gas, think about how much you overpaid for the computer you’re using to read this.

Using $4/gallon as an example, $2.72 (68%) of that that is paid to Exxon and their profit is 27¢ on each gallon of gas. Even if Exxon decided to make no profit, a gallon of gas would only drop by 27¢. But if that were to happen, Exxon would have to pack up shop unless they could convince their employees to stay given that their salaries will never increase.

Exxon doesn’t care what the price of a gallon of gas is, they only care about their profit. When the price of anything goes down, people buy more of it (and vice versa). Exxon would be just as happy, if not happier, to make 10% profit on revenue of $800 billion than 10% of their current $400 billion. So lower gas prices are in Exxon’s best interest. So you can be sure that Exxon is going to use the $40 billion to find more oil and find more efficient (cheaper) ways to extract it, which will help to lower prices and increase their profits in the future.

Note: What most people don’t realize about gasoline is that once the gas goes into the pipeline, Exxon (and others) are done. The gas is distributed via trucks to local gas stations and they don’t care what gas station they’re selling the gas to — the same truck delivers gas to several local gas stations. If you think you go to an Exxon-branded gas station and buy oil that Exxon extracted from the ground, you’re wrong. That’s why stupid ideas that have circulated on the internet don’t work.
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Hillary Clinton is one sorry sight on her way to defeat

She once described herself as "the most famous person you know very little about." But as she careens across the country in a desperate attempt to rescue her campaign, America is coming to know Hillary Clinton all too well.

The tenacity that even critics praised suddenly looks tawdry. The persistence against impossible odds appears anything but noble. Long after the party is over, Clinton's refusal to go home is taking on the trappings of a sad spectacle.

Her inability to accept defeat is not, it seems clear, about public service or even politics. It is merely personal.

With Barack Obama on a glide path to the Democratic nomination - he has insurmountable leads in delegates and popular votes - Clinton's cringe-inducing performance is doing what her harshest critics never could. It has ripped away any pretense that she actually stands for something.

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Superdelegates put Obama within mathematical reach - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's wave of superdelegate endorsements puts him within reach of the Democratic presidential nomination by the end of the primary season on June 3 — even if he loses half of the remaining six contests.

The Illinois senator has picked up 26 superdelegates in the past week. At that pace, he will reach the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination — 2,025 — in the next three weeks, when delegates from the remaining primaries are included.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's best chance to slow Obama is to move the goal posts. She will get that chance May 31 when the Democratic National Committee's rules panel considers proposals to seat the delegates that had been stripped from Florida and Michigan. Those two states violated national party rules by holding their primaries in January and lost their delegates.

"Michigan and Florida are key to it," Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director, said Monday.

Obama picked up four superdelegates Monday, including Sen. Daniel Akaka of Hawaii and Rep. Tom Allen of Maine.

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