Originally Posted by cat's meow

I had long talk with a public school teacher yesterday; the wife of a close friend of mine who both date back to our CA days of being in college together (I have known him for 25 years, known her for about 13 years). Both of them are two of the best teachers I know, outstanding and hold very high standards for their students.

Rasta's post CANNOT have hit the target more in the middle (administration is a problem too though)…the parents have great deal to do with this. You can’t do much with a kid who parents are broken or do not exist. And yes, ‘your’ kids get impaired when you mix this all together and the bad parents don’t support what is trying to be done correctly. There is NO replacement for good parenting.

In this discussion yesterday this person (let’s call her 'J') told me several things, this is not new and I have heard and seen these very things over and over with the public schools. And, she and I see things a lot alike and she IS A REPUBLICAN AND WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT UP FRONT.

'J' was first assigned to a city (all black) school when she first came to this city. Here is what she found:

• The Memphis City Police were regularly coming to that school to track down students who had warrants out for thier arrest.
• a very high pregnancy rate among the females
• only 14% of the seniors could pass the 'senior test' to graduate (as opposed to 90% at the county school 'J' is teaching at now).
• The best teachers (like her) very quickly left to much better schools...they could because the better teachers are fully certified and have advanced degrees. The worst teachers don’t and cannot go anywhere; they just keep getting recycled in the bad schools.

Call me racist all you want but HERE ARE SOME FLAT OUT FACTS THAT SHE AND I KNOW ARE VERY REAL AND HAPPEN FAR TO OFTEN IN CIT”Y schools...in this city in particular.

The worst Black teachers in the Memphis City Schools are protecting one another and then become the administrators in those poorly performing schools. These teachers are almost always graduates of the Historically Black Private College that is here in town. The standards are low there and they take all the worst students who try to enter college (we won't take those and we are about 40% Black, our honors program is doing well too, we really enforce an ACT cut off score for entering freshmen) and therefore 'graduate out' the worst people with teaching degrees. That HBPC is teetering on losing their funding and accreditation but an enclave of militant Blacks keep the place open and the college keeps pumping out people who are poorly educated (and then teach also). The best Black students who want to teach in the state come to us, MTSU, or UTK. So, 'J' saw the best Black teachers leave and the worst stay at that city school; 'J' left within the year. 'J''s current students number about half Black but these are students who have parents that are working and affluent. These are kids who are aspiring to get a good education and job, it is expected from their parents (yes, Black) to go to college. We have four other (larger) U's here in town that do quite well and have high standards, two private and two public...the two private are very highly rated as liberal arts colleges. And, numerous Black students go through these and graduate.

So, there IS a culture of protecting ignorance and BS by the militants in the Black community here in town when it comes to education...I have seen it first hand and I can give you specific examples. People can complain all they want but in the end the smart parents (Black or white) move, they flee...they don't want their kids around stupidity, crack heads, and whores.

Yes, I am quite blunt because there have been three big incidents this summer which graphically outline this problem and what happens with poorly educated people and how that gets perpetuated. I even wrote a very blunt editorial at the beginning of the summer to the main newspaper...they did not want to hear the facts of what was going on. Too bad.

My solution...people (adults or teens) who are on drugs or want to fu*k all the time should be 'fixed' like a cat or dog. I don't care about the race but there are people out there who have no business raising kids who just do not have the tools AT ALL to do this…our public schools have plenty of people like this. People have to take a test for a damn drivers license but can freely choose to be parent (which the most difficult job in the world).

Guess I am a Nazi when it comes to this…hmmm…go figure…

Originally Posted by theleftisright

Liberate the public schools, and public students by….

Creating a nationally standardized curriculum. and ending the lowest common denominator administration of school by local school boards, many of which consist of members and leaders who themselves, never graduated high school, or attended college

End the “all or nothing” insanity of “no child left behind’ and come to the realization that not all students will excel in advanced courses, but can still achieve basic skills, geared for their ability and needs, through a multi tiered system. (Specialized trade and tech schools, remedial diplomas, etc)

Begin universal pre K at age 4

End “summer vacation”

Create pay scales based on standard market zones for those with a masters degree for teachers, to attract quality candidates.

Mandate ESL (English as a second language) classes for students that require it (face reality, we are a bi lingual, if not multi lingual nation)

Mandate SSL (Spanish as a second language) classes starting at grade 3 (see above)

Enact a title 9 style mandates for arts, social sciences and humanities above grade 8 which would also extend to private school students

Ban ‘Home schooling”

Students in private schools must pass a basic skills test admined by public schools

Make parents responsible for attendance, by penalty of law. (fines and possible termination of parental rights)

Originally Posted by Still Dizzy

Don't forget the little Red Book.

Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Don't forget to make "My Pet Goat" mandatory reading for all Southern States school districts K-12 in the United States!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Don't forget to make "My Pet Goat" mandatory reading for all Southern States school districts K-12 in the United States!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by cat's meow

Corect me if I am supplying you with the wrong things here but...

There is an enclave of Blacks who support that failing college and the failing schools...some of these people live in the political district the following happened in the past week. This is from the Memphis Commerical Appeal on Firday. Steve Cohen is white, disabled from childhood cancer, Jewish, and a Democrat. He was elected by the 9th U.S. TN Congressional District and a good number of pragmatic, and very intelligent Blacks voted for him. He replaced Harold Ford Jr. who is Black and was also supporting Hate Crime legislation...there have been problems with the other side of the Ford family (corruption) and that 'enclave' of B;acks even support John Ford (Harolds distant cousin) even after J. Ford was swent to jail for five years (that happened this summer too). Steve got shouted down by Blacks earlier in the week and treated like total sh*t in this meeting, and numerous Black ministers sat on thier hands and did nothing while people acted like total asses to Steve. Steve's views and initiatives are almost indentical to those of Haronld Ford Jr...one happens to be Black and the other white and both are Democrats and quite moderate to boot.

I am not sure what philisophical issues you are going to find here but this is what is going on here and it is total BS. I voted for Steve and he works his ass off, he looks out for ALL his constituents.

Originally Posted by monkeyinthemiddle

Ahhh yes...I must say, this is the cat I expect to hear.
This is the person I first met in this forum...OK
There are plenty of philosophical issues here at hand, I am going to attempt to take one at a time without merging and going off in tangents..
This first thing I notice in your post is the polictical enforcements that seem to be a dominating factor in the dumbed down students in black communities.
It certainly says alot about the values and political beliefs of these particular communities and what exactly fuels these people towards educating their children....
Alot of these political enforcements back up a standardized measure of tests and the educational micro managing by state and federal regulations.
These regulations partake an exorbitant amount of time and money from our teachers who are, ahem, often the very products of these micro-managed regulations...certainly leaves alot to be desired by the exceptional values of educated individuals...administration-state-federal regulations that actually stagnate a childs progress in an advanced and exceptional state of learning..

The whole education agenda has gone mainstream, by a political agenda vieing for a quality mainstreamed mediocrity and the results are graduates who can't do algebra never mind fill out simple applications.
Just like you posted...We have reprobates, we have children guided by television and talking heads.
Which is by far a false representation of what it takes to become a doctor, an engineer, educator...

Government and federal regulations do not guarantee a superior education.
What guarantees a superiror education?
Parents guarantee it.
Home schooled children by far exceed the educational curriculum any regulated outfit will provide.
Between the internet, TV, video games and MTV our children are being sideswiped by our media.
It is iminent that as parents we take a extreme stand and involvement in our childrens education.
Whoever believes a big government and federal/state regulation is going to watch out for your childs ability to read or write is an absolute idiot.
Mainstream classrooms are producing students that still cannot spell correctly, read a novel, or write a coherent sentence.
Colleges today are even more politically dependent on mainstream education.
I agree, more money and more politically dependent people pumped into this sick institution will only make it sicker.

The questions we should ask ourselves is what do we want our children to learn and why?
The central elite of social engineers have failed miserably...
Self knowledge is the only basis of true knowledge, children must be taught to work independently, and the love and rewards of learning will be instilled.

Originally Posted by theleftisright

What a crock,LOL
STFU yiou crossdressing MPD psycho...nice cut and paste job

Home schooling is practices by child molesters and abusers who are afraid to let their kids be examined and seen onn a daily bais, and by bible thumping whack jobs who want to keep their kids ignorant