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View Poll Results: Should These "Educators" Be Fired?
Yes - This was nothing short of school indorsed terrorism 13 92.86%
No - It was only a prank or a learning experience 0 0%
Other - Please explain 1 7.14%
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Old 05-17-2007, 04:08 PM
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The way I understood it there were 42 parents in attendance at the meeting the day after the kids got back. Even if most of them were couples that doesn't sound like just a few parents to me.
It doesn't sound like just "a few" parents to me either. I'm surprised that they left out the word "disgruntled", usually they say it was "just a few disgruntled parents" who came to a meeting and complained about something lame a teacher said/did. By using the word "disgruntled" they are implying that the parents complaint has no merit. In this case I guess they forgot to include their favorite word of discreditment.
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Old 05-17-2007, 09:53 PM
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The sad thing is that all the discussion we have here won't make a bit of difference because kids will still get nailed to the wall for every little mistake they make and teachers will continue to get by with this sort of thing. Welcome to the new system of injustice in the U.S.A.
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Old 05-18-2007, 08:14 AM
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The sad thing is that all the discussion we have here won't make a bit of difference because kids will still get nailed to the wall for every little mistake they make and teachers will continue to get by with this sort of thing. Welcome to the new system of injustice in the U.S.A.

I don't nail my kids against the wall for every mistake they do. I try to point this out to them in as many aspects as possible so they get a true understanding what they should not do a certain action.

It's only as a last resort that they receive any type of punishment and when they do, it fits the problem.

Please don't paint with such a wide brush.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:59 PM
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I don't nail my kids against the wall for every mistake they do. I try to point this out to them in as many aspects as possible so they get a true understanding what they should not do a certain action.

It's only as a last resort that they receive any type of punishment and when they do, it fits the problem.

Please don't paint with such a wide brush.
River Ridge, I did not mean to imply that you were doing such a thing. But I have posted articles regarding the actions of 3 educators in this thread. One verbally threatened to take his students into the hall and shoot them and the other two arranged a false attack on their students telling them that it was real and terrorized them for several minutes. None of these three educators are facing criminal charges and they will all most likely be back to work with their lives normal come next year.

But I just did a quick search and found three situations involving three students where there was no specific threat involved and all three students were arrested, put in handcuffs and charged with criminal offenses. One of them was charged with a felony for writing a story about zombies and since he's 18 that charge will follow him the rest of his life.

A 14-year-old Walnut Creek boy - handcuffed and arrested at Walnut Creek Intermediate School on Wednesday for an animated cartoon he posted on the Internet that officials determined was threatening to teachers.

A George Rogers Clark High School junior arrested Tuesday for making terrorist threats told LEX 18 News Thursday that the "writings" that got him arrested are being taken out of context.


A high school senior was arrested
after writing that "it would be funny" to dream about opening fire in a building and having sex with the dead victims.

Now I would agree that in a couple of these cases the students involved probably needed to get some counseling but not one of these cases can compare to what the 3 teachers I mentioned have done and yet the teachers will go scott free.

I am not trying to paint with a "broad brush" RR and I'm not saying that all teachers or school districts are guilty of this, but there is a very real and very serious problem developing in this country that allows students to be charged with crimes for pure nonsense and teachers who commit far worse crimes to be allowed to go scott free. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way, but I know a lot of parents who do and they're growing very concerned about it.
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Old 05-19-2007, 05:35 AM
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River Ridge, I did not mean to imply that you were doing such a thing. But I have posted articles regarding the actions of 3 educators in this thread. One verbally threatened to take his students into the hall and shoot them and the other two arranged a false attack on their students telling them that it was real and terrorized them for several minutes. None of these three educators are facing criminal charges and they will all most likely be back to work with their lives normal come next year.

But I just did a quick search and found three situations involving three students where there was no specific threat involved and all three students were arrested, put in handcuffs and charged with criminal offenses. One of them was charged with a felony for writing a story about zombies and since he's 18 that charge will follow him the rest of his life.

A 14-year-old Walnut Creek boy - handcuffed and arrested at Walnut Creek Intermediate School on Wednesday for an animated cartoon he posted on the Internet that officials determined was threatening to teachers.

A George Rogers Clark High School junior arrested Tuesday for making terrorist threats told LEX 18 News Thursday that the "writings" that got him arrested are being taken out of context.


A high school senior was arrested
after writing that "it would be funny" to dream about opening fire in a building and having sex with the dead victims.

Now I would agree that in a couple of these cases the students involved probably needed to get some counseling but not one of these cases can compare to what the 3 teachers I mentioned have done and yet the teachers will go scott free.

I am not trying to paint with a "broad brush" RR and I'm not saying that all teachers or school districts are guilty of this, but there is a very real and very serious problem developing in this country that allows students to be charged with crimes for pure nonsense and teachers who commit far worse crimes to be allowed to go scott free. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way, but I know a lot of parents who do and they're growing very concerned about it.
I, for one, am so shocked to hear you care, Mom_Adams. I mean, you support Bush and his changes in the constitution that says he and he alone could declare you a terrorist and without any evidence whatsoever put you in prison, without charges and without being able to use Habeas Corpus to find out why and to torture you indefinitely. He also changed the constitution that says the police can break down your door and come in and ransack your house with a search warrant and not tell you why they did it.

So, why are you so surprised this is going on? OUr rights as citizens in this fascist police state of Bush have been deteriorating for years.
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I, for one, am so shocked to hear you care, Mom_Adams. I mean, you support Bush and his changes in the constitution that says he and he alone could declare you a terrorist and without any evidence whatsoever put you in prison, without charges and without being able to use Habeas Corpus to find out why and to torture you indefinitely. He also changed the constitution that says the police can break down your door and come in and ransack your house with a search warrant and not tell you why they did it.

So, why are you so surprised this is going on? OUr rights as citizens in this fascist police state of Bush have been deteriorating for years.
I'm not surprised that you went out of your way to try to make this an anti-Bush issue when it has absolutely NOTHING to do with President Bush or politics. Since you obviously hate Bush more than you care about the kids involved (I notice you didn't even take the time to vote), please take your screeching elsewhere.
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I'm not surprised that you went out of your way to try to make this an anti-Bush issue when it has absolutely NOTHING to do with President Bush or politics. Since you obviously hate Bush more than you care about the kids involved (I notice you didn't even take the time to vote), please take your screeching elsewhere.
To understand the problems in any situation in this nation and why laws and rules have changed you must investigate the source if you are truly going to tackle the problem.

How you can demean this situation to a Bush Bashing I think trivalizes your real concern here. If you cared about the children, you'd fight to make the laws change. Since Bush has enacted changes to our constitutional rights, why wouldn't you seek to overturn that?
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I, for one, am so shocked to hear you care, Mom_Adams. I mean, you support Bush and his changes in the constitution that says he and he alone could declare you a terrorist and without any evidence whatsoever put you in prison, without charges and without being able to use Habeas Corpus to find out why and to torture you indefinitely. He also changed the constitution that says the police can break down your door and come in and ransack your house with a search warrant and not tell you why they did it.

So, why are you so surprised this is going on? OUr rights as citizens in this fascist police state of Bush have been deteriorating for years.
You are attempting to slay the wrong dragon. I am NOT a Bushite or a Bush apologist. The President has made certain mistakes, and the Patriot Act is one of them, but not in the way you think. His mistake was to give it name, make it an Act and put it out there for people to get indignant. The REALITY of it is that the federal government has been doing as it pleases since there has been a federal government. There isn't one thing in the Patriot Act that they haven't ALWAYS done, each and every last one of them. The REALITY of the situation is that the days of their being able to keep the incidents and information "in house" are over because of the freakin' INTERNET. Instant news, bloggers, free lance investigative reporters, Papparazi. Cameras and snoops everywhere. "The Company" is exposed. But this obsession you have about George Bush is based on absolute ingnorance and naivete.

Instead of obsessing on an outgoing president to no end except your own discomfort, why not direct your energy toward an achievable and vitally important goal. Push for the passage of the Fair Tax Bill and the abolition of the IRS. Doing so would ensure that the power of the federal government was never again absolute and not subject to absolute corruption regarding its own citizens. As long as the IRS, the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, the Treasury Dept. and various Congressional committees and sub committees have access to and control of everyone's working, financial life, they have absolute control of everything. Until the enforcers, the intimidators, the intruders are deleted, we will be subjects and not citizens.

BUT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THREE IDIOTS IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM WHO SHOULD BE FIRED, ARRESTED, TRIED, CONVICTED AND SENTENCED, but at the very least they should be prevented from teaching school anywhere in the world. THEY ARE MALICIOUS and stupid.
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To understand the problems in any situation in this nation and why laws and rules have changed you must investigate the source if you are truly going to tackle the problem.

How you can demean this situation to a Bush Bashing I think trivalizes your real concern here. If you cared about the children, you'd fight to make the laws change. Since Bush has enacted changes to our constitutional rights, why wouldn't you seek to overturn that?
You are the one that is demeaning this situation by turning it into a Bush Bashing fest. This situation and how it is being handled throughout the country by one school administration after another, has absolutely NOTHING to do with President Bush. If you are that obsessed with your hatred for him that you can't focus on anything else long enough to make a comment then please seek help. That is truly a sign of mental illness.
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You are the one that is demeaning this situation by turning it into a Bush Bashing fest. This situation and how it is being handled throughout the country by one school administration after another, has absolutely NOTHING to do with President Bush. If you are that obsessed with your hatred for him that you can't focus on anything else long enough to make a comment then please seek help. That is truly a sign of mental illness.
Allow me to demonstrate to you how Bush's unabashed contempt for our constitution has trickled down into our society.....

The thread started as such....(see my next post)
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