Actualy I figured that but just wanted to be clear. Ya the type of segregation sounds crazy and only goes to speak of what I meant by some things designed to protect them harms them. I don't know what people are thinking or how they so quickly forgot how it was say just 30 ,40 years ago. I did not know of any gay students when I was in school and all of school and especialy in grade school hell we were kids and just plain evil in many ways. And kids picked on kids for many other reasons it hardly ever got to a fist fight but when it did it was someone got a bloody nose and lost. Everyone moved on and even those fighting just hoping neither of them got caught and got in trouble. Jocks picked on anyone that was not in their click if they got in their space etc.etc. stupid stuff. Even when their was gays it was the same basic name calling or bs or harrassment and many were tuff and got back at them. But then things started changing and the only ones that were highlighed were the minorities. And the only ones to get stood up for by the administration was the minorities. And things also were getting more violent and now here we are and the violence is not wide spread and common it is brutaly violent. why everyone stands back and wonders why or say it is only on this group. That is crap and not true and the reason it is all happening is pretty simple. The lack of power by the parents and teachers and the school to use dicipline and parents not backing he teachers when dicipline is implemented. Reasoning with kids is not a bad thing per say but reasoning with kids that know you have no power to dicipline well hell you know where I'm going because we see the result of both all around this nation and in every neighborhood.

I am proud to say my state gov. has implemented laws so that the teachers can implement dicipline in their classrooms and be protected from parents comming in to tear them a new one when not warranted. Nor can they wrongly or frivolously sue the teachers or the school when the child is rightly diciplined. Many quality teachers have left Louisiana because of the lack of being able to do so in their classrooms and Gov. jindal has turned back the clock. We will see how fast things turn around because as it should be the kids now have the right to sit down listen and be taught and do as they are told or else.

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I love that one...Parents SHOULD be involved in their kids' education. It's a proven fact that the more involved the parent is, the better chances the kid has. But, most people are too selfish, self-absorbed, self-centered, etc. to draw that statement to its natural conclusion: the MOST involved a parent can get is to home school. But that might mean *gasp* too much sacrifice.

No, to remind your kids they aren't trustworthy from the first moment they arrive. If having officers present in and amongst your kids was a GOOD thing, why don't we let officers roam freely through our houses...you know, to just keep an eye on things? And would you send your little babies to a daycare that BRAGGED up front that they were SO inattentive that your children needed physical protection? Would you go to a grocery store where violence was so common the Sheriff had set up a jail cell in the storeroom?

No. But you'll send your kids to public school.

Back to the grocery store: would you feel better if the grocery store in the above example told you your husband could monitor his FM radio and get regular updates on your progress, so he wouldn't have to wonder if you were OK in there or not? Would that make the drugs, sex, and violence more palatable so long as someone could check up on you?

The schools recognize that things are SO bad that some parents might be comforted by hourly updates on their kids, and you take that as a PLUS?! The last time I needed to check up on my kid that often while she was out of the house was when she was in intensive care. There's NEVER going to be a situation where I "trust" her into the care of an adult, but so mistrust that adult that I need constant access to fresh information. NORMAL parenting would say that if that kind of monitoring is needed, then your kid just shouldn't be there at all.

A,B,C,D,F tells you what emotional trauma your kid is suffering? It tells you how close he came last Thursday to finally succumbing to peer pressure to do drugs, have sex, etc.? Must be one helluva progress report to include all that.

That's right. It's not the School System's fault that people keep sending their kids out to Corporate-Government-Union Tokens to learn to become "adjusted adults". Clearly, the fact that Public Schools have even ONE child in them is the fault of Parents. If there were no volunteer parents, there'd be no Government Schools. Period.

So, you're right: Schools cause a LOT of damage, but they're just a symptom; the problem is the parents who fill their halls with malleable minds to be sculpted into victims of Democracy instead of beneficiaries of a Republic.

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[quote=SaintMalaclypse;569429]I have already stated this. I know what the systems lacks & it’s parental involvement. I didn’t sacrifice like my oldest sister did & home school. That said, her children ended up being no better off than mine.


Sorry, this doesn’t fly. The fact is that there are serious threats to our children whether you will acknowledge this or not. They of course are not allowed in our private homes because they are not “public”. My children never attended one day of daycare. The fact is that there are plenty of good reasons to have SRO officers on school campus, you can spin it all you like.



No, you’re being silly. It’s a combative so that parents can’t claim after the fact they had no idea if & when their children are showing up for class. I have every right to have this info on hand. No different than if I was to call & ask if they are there in attendance. I remember skipping class as a teen & my parents were none the wiser. Please….weak argument.



Again, I won’t speak for other parents but I actually have conversations with my children daily. I ask them about their day, teachers, friends, goings on, so I’m content in the fact that I know my children.

Don’t be so self righteous….as you haven’t sent your to public schools & you can’t have it both way! As your fist & last paragraphs contradict your very assessment!

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Most of you appear to be upper middle class, or at least higher than me and mine. The problem is great to talk about when you can blame it on someone else. Teachers teach, and sometimes they're the only ones that appear to give a crap. You want to fix the system get in and DO it, instead of talking about it.

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The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
-Patton

Congress is paid to oversee education results and they are not doing their job.
When the media and Congress are corrupt, there is a serious problem.

A Civil War may be the only answer?

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Results don't tell the story of what it took to get where you are.

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Never trouble to deny;
Should the words they say be true,
Weep and storm and swear they lie.
-Dorothy Parker

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
-Patton

People with the same results knows what it takes to get there.

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Firstly, teachers USED to teach. Now the re-engineer children from being family-members to being society-members. And the Government tells them what kind of children to make, not the parents.

Secondly, the chances of me "geting in" the system and doing something are approximately 0%. I want nothing to do with any of it; getting in would make me just as culpable as the rest of the system. Getting OUT is the only solution...either getting government OUT or getting our children OUT. The two cannot co-exist safely. That's why PARENTS create children, and Governments DON'T. They create laws.

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Except that PARENTS don't give a crap. Not where I come from, anyway. And teachers aren't the gov't, or they weren't until NCLB came in and tried to make education uniform and ruined a good thing.

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Should they whisper false of you,
Never trouble to deny;
Should the words they say be true,
Weep and storm and swear they lie.
-Dorothy Parker

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
-Patton