NCLB is working!

oceanbreeze · #21 (**permalink**) 05-29-2008, 03:25 PM

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What, were you offending that easily? I thought by now dealing with me would have given you a thick enough skin.

I have alligator skin, but will always graciously accept an apology.

Carson · #22 (**permalink**) 05-29-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

I have alligator skin, but will always graciously accept an apology.

Whatever makes you feel better.

SaintMalaclypse · #23 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wow

Republicans are dragging kicking and screaming Democrats into the 21st century.

More schools to face law's consequences - Yahoo! News

By NANCY ZUCKERBROD, AP Education Writer Tue May 20, 12:16 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Pink slips for principals and teachers. School-funded tutoring for poor kids. Schools are increasingly looking at those kind of consequences for failing to raise math and reading scores.
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The federal No Child Left Behind law says that by the 2013-14 school year all students must pass state tests in these subjects.

About half of the states have steady annual goals for increasing the percentage of students passing, or working at their proper grade level. But the other half set the bar very low early on, and starting about now expect big annual achievement gains, according to a report being released Tuesday by the nonpartisan Center on Education Policy.

Educators liken the latter strategy to a balloon payment mortgage, in which home owners have a final payment that is much larger than previous ones.

It's unlikely that states that took that approach can make the kind of gains expected, said Jack Jennings, the center's president.

Schools that don't hit testing benchmarks for two years or longer face consequences that become increasingly stiff each year — from having to transport children to higher-performing schools and paying for tutoring to replacing staff thought to be a part of a school's problems.

Nearly 11,000 schools, or a little more than 10 percent of all public schools — from elementary to high school — have missed their state-set progress goals and are taking corrective steps, according to the Education Department.

That number has been rising slowly and is expected to grow at a faster clip over the next few years.

Key-phrase here is "state-set progress goals".

Mighty vague. What kind of law can any state possible pass that would just *poof* turn them from money-grubbing politicians into venerable educators?

It should be SUCH a relief to everyone that the system we had in the past was run by the Government, but THANK GOD, now we're switching to a completely new system, where...um...the government runs things. Still. Again.

Well, at least NOW the people in charge of monitoring progress and compliance won't be the same people who...ah...oh. Yeah. The Gov't. still sets the rules, and they still evaluate themselves to decide if they're following their rules or if they should punish themselves.

Wouldn't that be like a convicted murderer promising he was reformed because now he was going to make sure his Jesus-fearing hand kept an eye on his stabbing-hand, and would punish it if it killed anyone else?

Damn, if only the idea of fixing Government by applying MORE Government would always work this well...

Self-deluded morons.

carsayzylum · #24 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 11:31 PM

From someone living in this piece of crap system, I gotta say that's not the case. Instead it makes all education uniform. Evidently, if no child is permitted to get ahead, no child can be left behind.
The average 6th grader should be able to pass these tests. All they are accomplishing by testing in high school is making teachers and students waste 2-3 yrs reviewing to ensure they keep state funding. Time better spent preparing for the future by getting as far ahead as possible.
It's bull.

katman100 · #25 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 06:27 PM

Let's face it - most of the teachers are very bad - and the principals - but, it's not their fault - in the U.S. we don't care much for education - it's something we endure but don't excel at. Higher education is different - we are actually good at that.

wow · #26 (**permalink**) 08-23-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintMalaclypse

Key-phrase here is "state-set progress goals".

Mighty vague. What kind of law can any state possible pass that would just *poof* turn them from money-grubbing politicians into venerable educators?

It should be SUCH a relief to everyone that the system we had in the past was run by the Government, but THANK GOD, now we're switching to a completely new system, where...um...the government runs things. Still. Again.

Well, at least NOW the people in charge of monitoring progress and compliance won't be the same people who...ah...oh. Yeah. The Gov't. still sets the rules, and they still evaluate themselves to decide if they're following their rules or if they should punish themselves.

Wouldn't that be like a convicted murderer promising he was reformed because now he was going to make sure his Jesus-fearing hand kept an eye on his stabbing-hand, and would punish it if it killed anyone else?

Damn, if only the idea of fixing Government by applying MORE Government would always work this well...

Self-deluded morons.

There is no doubt that the Govt. can not manage anything well but NCLB is an improvement. The true evidence that NCLB is an improvement......Teachers oppose it because they are being forced to work harder.

wow · #27 (**permalink**) 08-23-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by carsayzylum

From someone living in this piece of crap system, I gotta say that's not the case. Instead it makes all education uniform. Evidently, if no child is permitted to get ahead, no child can be left behind.
The average 6th grader should be able to pass these tests. All they are accomplishing by testing in high school is making teachers and students waste 2-3 yrs reviewing to ensure they keep state funding. Time better spent preparing for the future by getting as far ahead as possible.
It's bull.

You make a good case for school vouchers......"choice"

wow · #28 (**permalink**) 08-23-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by katman100

Let's face it - most of the teachers are very bad - and the principals - but, it's not their fault - in the U.S. we don't care much for education - it's something we endure but don't excel at. Higher education is different - we are actually good at that.

Teacher's Unions and the NEA must be eliminated.

rob · #29 (**permalink**) 08-23-2008, 07:35 PM

I remember in the 60's schools encouraged parental involvement in the education process but that was before the unions and the Department of Education was created.

36shadow · #30 (**permalink**) 08-24-2008, 12:57 PM

NCLB needs to be overhauled because of all the paper work and repetative paper work that don't allow the teacher optimal time for teaching. It was a good idea but far from perfect. The biggest thing teachers need is the power to dicipline again and keep control of their classroom. And they need the cooperation and involvment of the parents. Parents just shove the entire responsability off to the govt. and the school and the teachers as is the norm of the govt. reliant society the libs have bread. And the only time a lot of these parents get realy involved is to bitch out a teacher when the teacher does punish their kid for disrupting the class or not minding. That don't help the kid at all and they sit back and wonder why the kid don't get an education and works at Mcdonalds the rest of their lives..

Teachers in Louisiana on average leave the Louisiana school system five years after graduation only to go to texas and a couple of other states. Our govenor did a state wide inquiery of the Louisiana teachers to find out why they were leaveing. One was the pay so they gave them all 1000 dollar raise which they where more than happy with. But that was not the number one reason they were leaving. They were leaving because of a lack of dicipline in the classroom and the lack of power and ability to maintain order in their own classroom. It is by far the biggest problem our nations schools face because no matter how much money or how many top teachers you throw at it. If the kids don't have to mind they don't have to learn and everything you throw at it wont help.

Gov. Jindal has taken steps in my state to reverse this crap and hopefully we will be a model and example for the rest of the nation. Kids need to be put back in their place as do parents and teachers. It is a system with a support system that works best and any link in that system breaks it down as we have proof by the decline in our educational system.

As long as their is no REAL abuse then the only rights a child has is to do as they are told if you want to make them adults well you see the result of that. Well at least the smart people with their eyes open see what it has done to this nation.