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Old 05-07-2008, 11:09 AM
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>>>>I had the good sense to do that a long time ago. Did my student teaching and then taught one year. 35 kids/class, 5 classes/day - ain't no frigging way.
I guess I'm a little more hard headed! I gave it 4 years! My last year I was pregnant. My daughter was born in March of 2001, and I never went back.

The school I taught at had a lot of poverty. The parents didn't give a shit about what their kids did at school. We had a handful of good ones, and for that I was grateful, but you can't rely on a small % of parents to pull the place out of the ditch.

Not to say "rich schools" are any better. They also have their discipline problems because mommy and daddy have taught these well to do kids that they are "perfect".
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:47 AM
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mommy and daddy have taught these well to do kids that they are "perfect".
>>>Rich mommies and daddies have taught their kids that they are "entitled". That's tough to deal with.
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Old 05-07-2008, 04:12 PM
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>>>Rich mommies and daddies have taught their kids that they are "entitled". That's tough to deal with.
Like Obama's kids have been taught by their elitist parents.
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Like Obama's kids have been taught by their elitist parents.
>>>Maybe. I don't know about Obama's kids, but I do know about GBush and his daughters. Barbara taught 'em all "it doesn't matter if you stink, just act entitled."
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>>>Maybe. I don't know about Obama's kids, but I do know about GBush and his daughters. Barbara taught 'em all "it doesn't matter if you stink, just act entitled."
Jenna acts like a snooty brat but Barbara Jr. seems very level-headed.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:47 AM
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Jenna acts like a snooty brat but Barbara Jr. seems very level-headed.
How's Jeb's daughter doing? Off the vicodin? She still in rehab?
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How's Jeb's daughter doing? Off the vicodin? She still in rehab?
I may have read a story about her and Obama doing cocaine together in a limo in Chicago.
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Report Finds Teachers' Pay Is More than Adequate Across the Country

Supporting the almost-universal belief that teachers are underpaid, Education Week published an article on January 10 stating, "public school teachers nationwide make 88 cents for every dollar earned in 16 comparable occupations," including accountants, architects, clergy, computer programmers, insurance underwriters, physical therapists, and registered nurses.

The long-lived conventional wisdom is that teachers are underpaid. That belief is virtually unanimous. But it runs contrary to many respectable research studies that conclude teacher salaries are at least equal to, if not in excess of, compensation for comparable occupations:
  • Jay P. Greene and Marcus A Winters found that the average public school teacher in the United States earned $34.06 per hour in 2005, and the average public school teacher was paid 36 percent more per hour than the average non-sales white-collar worker and 11 percent more than the average professional specialty and technical worker.

  • Richard Vedder, an Ohio University professor of economics and senior fellow at the Independent Institute found that teachers earn more per hour than architects, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, statisticians, biological and life scientists, registered nurses, university-level foreign-language teachers, and editors and reporters.

  • Michael Podgursky, an economics professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia and expert on teacher compensation concluded that when adjusted for annual weeks of work, teacher pay and benefits compare favorably with those of other college-educated workers.

To objectively evaluate teacher benefits relative to other occupations, several relevant conditions need to be factored in. For example:
  • Teachers work about 20 percent fewer days annually than other white-collar workers.

  • Consequently, a teacher paid $60,000 per year is actually being paid $72,000 at the adjusted rate.

  • Add another 25 percent (on average) for retirement and health insurance, and the annual benefit package increases to $87,000.


Report Finds Teachers' Pay Is More than Adequate Across the Country - by Richard G. Neal - The Heartland Institute

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Civic Report 50 | How Much Are Public School Teachers Paid?

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http://www.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/...2podgursky.pdf
I know an elementary education teacher that makes right @ 40k/year, doesn't have to be at school till 8:30am and gets home by 5pm. Moreover, has the summer off.

I'm ready to get my teachers certification and get these kids to march in step. Hell, coach baseball after school.

It would be like being a kid again.

Studies show that people gravitate to fields of profession based on their maturity level. Hence, Grade School teachers are very inmature and make a lot of $$ for it. Moreover, their putting out crap for a product.

This teacher was also found to have bi-polar disorder and borderline personality traits. God if you only knew whom was teaching your kids.



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Teachers should be forced to work for free for local businesses that pay school taxes.
Another idiot post...those same teachers pay the same taxes fool.
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:12 PM
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To objectively evaluate teacher benefits relative to other occupations, several relevant conditions need to be factored in. For example, teachers work about 20 percent fewer days annually than other white-collar workers
I would say this is not objective thinking and analysis at all. Teachers have to do a great deal of work 'off the clock' in terms of lesson plans, meetings with parents, and grading papers (among other tasks). I just visited several public school teachers this week and they spend a lot of extra time making things happen 'off the clock.' And I, who is 'out of school' right now and 'on vacation, will have made 6 or seven visits to schools off the clock during these two weeks away from Memphis. I don't get paid for this but it is vital for me to do these sorts of 'support and recruiting' visitis to make my program work.
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