Report Finds Teachers' Pay Is More than Adequate Across the Country

ricechickie · #51 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

No, I've been a student my entire life. They need to read their own material. They need to think about their class and the curriculum as more than a set of rules and basic tasks to photocopy out of a teaching manual. They need to prove they have a more than general knowledge on a particular subject before they teach it. They need to learn how to speak well to a classroom, instead of using videos and group discussions to save them any prep work. They need to come up with assignments that are more than just busy work, and tests that are more than just memorize and repeat.

Hear, hear. I'm a Montessori preschool teacher, and we believe in EXACTLY that. Unfortunately, the push for "standards" means that we are being told exactly what to teach and even WHEN to teach it. So much for following the child! Our lessons are all hands-on works, individual or small-group lessons, and are geared to the child's current ability, not where someone somewhere else thinks the child (whole class) should be. And I'm lucky, teaching preschool; we've got much more leeway than the older grades.

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

Most teachers are as clueless as a parent is, with the same sense of blind authority and insecurity, perpetuated in a culture in which, for some weird reason, teachers rule students. I don't take shit anymore, I've had too many crappy teachers when I was a child to let one push me around now.
I park in the teacher parking cause fuck em, they don't pay for this shit, why do they always get the better parking?

Teachers rule students? You crack me up. Teachers have very little authority.

wow · #52 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tileman

We are in desparate need of the government jobs to be structured similar to corporate america...

-Allow for evaluations to actually CUT a teachers pay if under performing.
-Retirement changes to a 401K not the gravytrian they have now.
-Group policy for health insurance the same as any other company.
-1 week sick leave with pay since they only work half the year.
-No union! A government job AND a union---WTF?
-Contracts (1-3 years each) using Supply vs. Demand. Over supply of people willing to do a job ALWAYS lowers the pay scale except in government jobs.
-Punch a time clock! No more salaries and THEN america can see the hours actually worked.

---I'm self employed in construction, I also drive part time as a chauffeur and I am a landlord... Whining to me about take home work is a laughable offense.
OH, by the way, I gross about 30% more than teachers even though I work a full year, not half. I also pay more in taxes (self employment tax) and nobodies paying my retirement or get group insurance.... I'm not mad at my situation, but instead mad at how easy the government throws away the taxes I pay! Once again, government jobs are in desparate need of being regulated like the private sector.

You get my vote for President.

lmno807 · #53 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 02:54 PM

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bodecea · #54 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tileman

We are in desparate need of the government jobs to be structured similar to corporate america...

-Allow for evaluations to actually CUT a teachers pay if under performing.
-Retirement changes to a 401K not the gravytrian they have now.
-Group policy for health insurance the same as any other company.
-1 week sick leave with pay since they only work half the year.
-No union! A government job AND a union---WTF?
-Contracts (1-3 years each) using Supply vs. Demand. Over supply of people willing to do a job ALWAYS lowers the pay scale except in government jobs.
-Punch a time clock! No more salaries and THEN america can see the hours actually worked.

---I'm self employed in construction, I also drive part time as a chauffeur and I am a landlord... Whining to me about take home work is a laughable offense.
OH, by the way, I gross about 30% more than teachers even though I work a full year, not half. I also pay more in taxes (self employment tax) and nobodies paying my retirement or get group insurance.... I'm not mad at my situation, but instead mad at how easy the government throws away the taxes I pay! Once again, government jobs are in desparate need of being regulated like the private sector.

Yes...we all know that teaching is just like working a factory job. Get the raw material and crank out a finished product.

Piece of cake. A child doesn't learn...it's ALL the teacher's fault.

My Winter Storm · #55 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 01:03 AM

Teachers earn more than enough money, the problem is the hours they are expected to work - without pay.

For example, a teacher must mark exams at home or while on holidays, and they are not paid for this. They must come in early to plan the days lesson, and they are not paid for this as the day has not 'officially' begun.
A teacher must correct students work and plan lessons on a Public Holiday, and during school holidays, much of the teachers time is spent planning the following semester.

I don't have a problem with their wages, what I have a problem with is the extra hours they are expected to put in, without payment.

sotmfs · #56 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wow

Teachers should be forced to work for free for local businesses that pay school taxes.

Why?What is your logic?

bodecea · #57 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

Teachers earn more than enough money, the problem is the hours they are expected to work - without pay.

For example, a teacher must mark exams at home or while on holidays, and they are not paid for this. They must come in early to plan the days lesson, and they are not paid for this as the day has not 'officially' begun.
A teacher must correct students work and plan lessons on a Public Holiday, and during school holidays, much of the teachers time is spent planning the following semester.

I don't have a problem with their wages, what I have a problem with is the extra hours they are expected to put in, without payment.

I defy anyone to show that a professional with an equivalent education to what is required of a beginning teacher is willing to work for the same pay...same hours...same lack of control of the final product.

nathanbforrest45 · #58 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 10:31 AM

It is such a shame that teachers are ripped out of their homes and forced to sign contracts to teach. No other profession (except maybe police officers) are actually forced to take these jobs, only teachers (and maybe police officers)

Its also a crime that teachers are told they will make $100,000.00 per year (along with police officers) but when they get their first paycheck they find its only for $250.00 per week. How cruel is that. We should put a stop to this and force school districts to stop lying to teachers about thier hours, duties and pay (along with police officers) (oh yeah, and nurses, they are another lied to profession)

TakuanSoho · #59 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bodecea

I defy anyone to show that a professional with an equivalent education to what is required of a beginning teacher is willing to work for the same pay...same hours...same lack of control of the final product.

Oh get off your high horse, a BA in Education is HARDLY an education....

As for the entry level pay, very typical for union shops. I would suggest your anger is misdirected.

wow · #60 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sotmfs

Why?What is your logic?

Teachers do not work 5 months out of the year and are paid for working 12 months a year.
Teachers should be forced to work in their off time to help the taxpayers.
It's only fair.