So many people refuse to look at raw numbers and call it for exactly what it is.......

Having a wife as a teacher and having dated another after divorce and looking at a local school teachers parking lot each day I know quite a bit about their average schedule and work routine.

Fact remains they work less than 1/2 the days of a calendar year.
In addition to fabulous benefits and a retirement that pays MORE than their salary.
Tenure, meaning any crime short of a felony it's nearly impossible to lose their jobs.
No evaluation of job performance.
Raises are a guarantee.
Average work day is less than average John/Jane Doe.
Summer vacation!
Recession proof immunity from the economic changes.
Protection from *supply and demand* their jobs are safe
Lessons are routine (if you know your job) because you teach the exact same thing year after year a textbook would be in your memory.
Lessons are often already planned for you by the state curriculum
182 required work days-40k salary-8 hours per day = $27.50 per hour average PLUS benefits like retirement for life.... (8 hours per day was stretching it a bit long)



As for the *take home work*--- Please don't make me laugh with my experience from a 5th grade and 10th grade public school teachers in my life. Yes, it happens on occasion but far from a normal routine. If you want to see real take home work talk to someone self employed! Without retiremnet, medical, vacation, sick days and paying much much more in taxes!

You must have been married to two very lazy women then...or you are bitter.

As compared to what job?

I have been on panels who have fired teachers, this is not totally true

Where are you living? Every teacher I know gets evaluated.

Where are you living? Here in the South we fall further and futher behind because of NOT getting raises...we have another big cut in TN coming and will not get a raise (this is now 4 in 10 years that no raise will come, not even COLA)

Prove that. A teachers work day does not start at 9 AM...it is usually earlier because the kids are there early.

Teachers are rewarded for brainwashing children in a manner that benefits the pockets of politicians. (Telling kids and parents they should buy carbon credits)
Govt employees always get the best benefits and pay, as long as they treat the taxpayers as the enemy.
The Govt ensures their employees will have the best compensation through an unfair payroll and income tax system on the private sector.

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No, I've been a student my entire life. They need to read their own material. They need to think about their class and the curriculum as more than a set of rules and basic tasks to photocopy out of a teaching manual. They need to prove they have a more than general knowledge on a particular subject before they teach it. They need to learn how to speak well to a classroom, instead of using videos and group discussions to save them any prep work. They need to come up with assignments that are more than just busy work, and tests that are more than just memorize and repeat. If I personally taught a class, no matter the subject, even one like Chemistry which I am clueless about, I would work tirelessly to provide my class with an authentic and positive learning experience. I have no memories of being out of school, so trust me when I say my understanding of the shittiness of teachers is completely fresh, like a morning turd.
Good teachers I've had excelled in their discipline, these teachers could be counted on my fingers. Most teachers are as clueless as a parent is, with the same sense of blind authority and insecurity, perpetuated in a culture in which, for some weird reason, teachers rule students. I don't take shit anymore, I've had too many crappy teachers when I was a child to let one push me around now.
I park in the teacher parking cause fuck em, they don't pay for this shit, why do they always get the better parking?

oh, and let me just say, teachers aren't about to change. every unbearable cunt i've ever met wants to be a teacher.

My oldest son is a high school history teacher and this will be his last year. he is hanging up his hat after 5 years and going out to find a job that pays real money.

I can tell you that each summer my son has spent a good deal of time in continuing education classes and that he is at school early and stays till after dinner most nights to prepare and grade papers.

he is making about 43K a year and that is not enough for all the education he has and the long hours he puts in.

He already has a offer working for a corporation as a human resources trainer at 6K more a year and is feeling around to see if he can do better .

We get what we pay for in the teaching profession and it appears we are not willing to pay much.

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Life is not about counting the number of breaths you take , life is about the moments that take your breath away.

Although my son is hoping to stay on coaching in football and baseball after work at his new job.

So he won't be done with school systems all together.

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Life is not about counting the number of breaths you take , life is about the moments that take your breath away.

Speak's volumes from a student, It seem's to me there just still churining out degree's to make them self's look good. No wonder why are country is going down the shitter.

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My best homie just graduated from Univ Michigan, and he confirms my assertions that colleges aren't more difficult than junior highs. He's described his classes, being taught entirely by TAs, yet he still had to pay assloads for his education.

We are in desparate need of the government jobs to be structured similar to corporate america...

-Allow for evaluations to actually CUT a teachers pay if under performing.
-Retirement changes to a 401K not the gravytrian they have now.
-Group policy for health insurance the same as any other company.
-1 week sick leave with pay since they only work half the year.
-No union! A government job AND a union---WTF?
-Contracts (1-3 years each) using Supply vs. Demand. Over supply of people willing to do a job ALWAYS lowers the pay scale except in government jobs.
-Punch a time clock! No more salaries and THEN america can see the hours actually worked.



---I'm self employed in construction, I also drive part time as a chauffeur and I am a landlord... Whining to me about take home work is a laughable offense.
OH, by the way, I gross about 30% more than teachers even though I work a full year, not half. I also pay more in taxes (self employment tax) and nobodies paying my retirement or get group insurance.... I'm not mad at my situation, but instead mad at how easy the government throws away the taxes I pay! Once again, government jobs are in desparate need of being regulated like the private sector.