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Old 04-22-2008, 10:00 AM
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This will throw Liberals into a tizzy! Liberals are being forced to learn math and reading, no more false results.

No Child Left Behind faces changes - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON - Unable to push education fixes through Congress, the Bush administration is taking its own pen to the No Child Left Behind law.
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Education Secretary Margaret Spellings says she plans to make a host of changes to the education law through regulations being unveiled Tuesday.

Among the biggest changes will be a requirement that by the 2012-13 school year, all states must calculate their high school graduation rates in a uniform way.

States currently use all kinds of methods to determine their graduation rates, many of which are based on unreliable information about school dropouts, leading to overestimates.

States will be told to count graduates, in most cases, as students who leave on time and with a regular degree. Research indicates students who take extra time or get alternatives to diplomas, such as a GED, generally don't do as well in college or the work force.

While states will no longer be able to use their own methods for calculating grad rates, they will still be able set their own goals for getting more students to graduate. Critics say that allows states to set weak improvement goals.

The six-year-old education law is President Bush's signature domestic policy initiative. The law requires testing in reading and math in grades three through eight and once in high school. The stated goal is to get all kids working at grade level by 2013-14.
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Old 04-23-2008, 07:50 AM
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Education is the responsibility of state and local government. Those who support No Child Left are supporters of federal control and big government. Those who support No Child Left support cookie cutter education. Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of the Arts in education. Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of physical fitness in education. Those who support No Child Left support teaching to the test and the end of creative thinking.

You have to wonder why.
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Education is the responsibility of state and local government. Those who support No Child Left are supporters of federal control and big government. Those who support No Child Left support cookie cutter education. Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of the Arts in education. Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of physical fitness in education. Those who support No Child Left support teaching to the test and the end of creative thinking.

You have to wonder why.
Education is the responsibility of state and local government.
Unless, local authorities are teaching their own political agenda, instead of the teaching the basic skills needed to get a higher education.

Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of the Arts in education.
What do you mean by "arts"?

Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of physical fitness in education.
Nixon, Reagan and Bush 43 all created and renewed the President's Physical Education Council.

Those who support No Child Left support teaching to the test and the end of creative thinking.
When I was in school, we studied and then took a test. If we did not study the material included on the test, we would fail the test.
Please define creative thinking.
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Education is the responsibility of state and local government. Those who support No Child Left are supporters of federal control and big government. Those who support No Child Left support cookie cutter education. Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of the Arts in education. Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of physical fitness in education. Those who support No Child Left support teaching to the test and the end of creative thinking.

You have to wonder why.
NCLB has such low standards, that if children are not learning these basic things in school, they aren't "learning" anything else.

Now yes, NCLB has flaws in it, but the simple fact is that education in this country is horrible, a large minority of students are not graduating from high school, and many of those who do are functionally illiterate. The Status Quo failed, so something new has to be tried. Rather than bitch about NCLB, critics need to focus on ways of improving it, or at least present a thought out alternative.
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Education is the responsibility of state and local government.
Unless, local authorities are teaching their own political agenda, instead of the teaching the basic skills needed to get a higher education.
That is for the local community to decide, NOT the federal government.

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Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of the Arts in education.
What do you mean by "arts"?
Arts. Did I stutter?

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Those who support No Child Left support the destruction of physical fitness in education.
Nixon, Reagan and Bush 43 all created and renewed the President's Physical Education Council.
Then you need to see the reality of PE being downsized and/or cut because it isn't being tested in the No Child Left program. That is what is happening here.

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Those who support No Child Left support teaching to the test and the end of creative thinking.
When I was in school, we studied and then took a test. If we did not study the material included on the test, we would fail the test.
Please define creative thinking.
Anything besides answer a), b), c), or d).
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That is for the local community to decide, NOT the federal government.
Unless, local authorities are teaching their own political agenda, instead of the teaching the basic skills needed to get a higher education. The local community is not given the opportunity to decide in most cases. It's done in secret meetings by school officials. Example, The Oakland school board wasted no time flexing its renewed political muscle, secretly and perhaps improperly naming an interim superintendent Wednesday one day after the state restored the board's authority over district personnel.

The school trustees voted 4-3 during closed session to hire an interim superintendent and offer the job to state fiscal analyst Roberta Mayor.
Oakland school board names interim superintendent - in secret

What do you mean by "arts"?

Then you need to see the reality of PE being downsized and/or cut because it isn't being tested in the No Child Left program. That is what is happening here. That is for the local community to decide.

Please define creative thinking.
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bodecea,

That is for the local community to decide, NOT the federal government.
Unless, local authorities are teaching their own political agenda, instead of the teaching the basic skills needed to get a higher education. The local community is not given the opportunity to decide in most cases. It's done in secret meetings by school officials. Example, The Oakland school board wasted no time flexing its renewed political muscle, secretly and perhaps improperly naming an interim superintendent Wednesday one day after the state restored the board's authority over district personnel.
Sorry, you are wrong. The school board makes the decision. The school board is elected by local voters. That is how democracy works. If you don't like what the local school board is doing, vote them out. The federal government AND you don't have the right to tell other districts what they will or will not do to run their districts. If they are not serving the community, they get voted out by their constitutents...not by some entity in Washington D.C. or by you.

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The school trustees voted 4-3 during closed session to hire an interim superintendent and offer the job to state fiscal analyst Roberta Mayor.
Oakland school board names interim superintendent - in secret

What do you mean by "arts"?
I ask you...don't you know? What kind of education did YOU get?

Then you need to see the reality of PE being downsized and/or cut because it isn't being tested in the No Child Left program. That is what is happening here.
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That is for the local community to decide.
Exactly...but No Child Left does not allow them that 'luxury'.
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bodecea,

Apparently, you did not read the link I provided.
The Oakland school board wasted no time flexing its renewed political muscle, secretly and perhaps improperly naming an interim superintendent Wednesday one day after the state restored the board's authority over district personnel.
It does no good to vote for a change of school board members when they continue to operate in secret.
The problem is with the laws concerning how a school board can operate.
If board members were sent to prison for operating secretly, this Communism would cease!

What do you mean by "arts"?

Then you need to see the reality of PE being downsized and/or cut because it isn't being tested in the No Child Left program. That is what is happening here.
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That is for the local community to decide.
Exactly...but No Child Left does not allow them that 'luxury'.
04-24-2008 08:08 AM

Bill Clinton signed an executive order banning mandatory PE.
At the time, Clinton said some kids are uncomfortable showering and dressing in front of their classmates and the competition in PE classes hurt the feelings of some kids.
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bodecea,

Apparently, you did not read the link I provided.
The Oakland school board wasted no time flexing its renewed political muscle, secretly and perhaps improperly naming an interim superintendent Wednesday one day after the state restored the board's authority over district personnel.
It does no good to vote for a change of school board members when they continue to operate in secret.
The problem is with the laws concerning how a school board can operate.
If board members were sent to prison for operating secretly, this Communism would cease!

What do you mean by "arts"?

Then you need to see the reality of PE being downsized and/or cut because it isn't being tested in the No Child Left program. That is what is happening here.
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That is for the local community to decide.
Exactly...but No Child Left does not allow them that 'luxury'.
04-24-2008 08:08 AM

Bill Clinton signed an executive order banning mandatory PE.
At the time, Clinton said some kids are uncomfortable showering and dressing in front of their classmates and the competition in PE classes hurt the feelings of some kids.

May I suggest learning how to use the quote function?
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May I suggest learning how to use the quote function?
I knew you would have no response. lol
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