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04-26-2008, 01:27 PM
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The real crime in this nation as far as education goes is the power held by the UNIONS. Instead of salaries being based upon "performance", they are based upon tenure regardless of the results displayed. Thus, we have burnt outs, mentally challenged (as in depression), alcohol dependent people teaching the next generation of our best and brightest. The reason for these problems displayed is in the fact the very real challenge presented by this mentally demanding profession when it is preformed correctly. There is no greater responsibility in this nation, and I hold this position in the same regards as I do the profession of being a physician. Why should we accept less from our teachers than we do our Doctors, as both deal in the care and nurturing of the body human...one physical the other mental health? It's time to make some drastic changes in this area, as its been proven that throwing money at the problem will not make it go away.
Have none ever noticed the comparative difference between our higher institutions of learning? Just what diploma holds more weight, an Ivy League, or State Institution? The same principal applies. Why should we accept less than the best to mold the minds of our children? And pay them the value of their worth. Instead spending all our tax monies on landscaping and buildings, spent it on our teachers. Our laws are just simply to lax in consideration of those that offer the education, this indeed is were the problem lies. The problem with "comprehension" is not found in our children but in our society that expects something other than a hog to be produced when they are feed nothing but a hog lot diet. BD
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04-26-2008, 01:41 PM
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The real crime in this nation as far as education goes is the power held by the UNIONS. Instead of salaries being based upon "performance", they are based upon tenure regardless of the results displayed. Thus, we have burnt outs, mentally challenged (as in depression), alcohol dependent people teaching the next generation of our best and brightest. The reason for these problems displayed is in the fact the very real challenge presented by this mentally demanding profession when it is preformed correctly. There is no greater responsibility in this nation, and I hold this position in the same regards as I do the profession of being a physician. Why should we accept less from our teachers than we do our Doctors, as both deal in the care and nurturing of the body human...one physical the other mental health? It's time to make some drastic changes in this area, as its been proven that throwing money at the problem will not make it go away.
Have none ever noticed the comparative difference between our higher institutions of learning? Just what diploma holds more weight, an Ivy League, or State Institution? The same principal applies. Why should we accept less than the best to mold the minds of our children? And pay them the value of their worth. Instead spending all our tax monies on landscaping and buildings, spent it on our teachers. Our laws are just simply to lax in consideration of those that offer the education, this indeed is were the problem lies. The problem with "comprehension" is not found in our children but in our society that expects something other than a hog to be produced when they are feed nothing but a hog lot diet. BD
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That is a very interesting accusation. I assume you have statistics to back it up.
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04-26-2008, 01:47 PM
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That is a very interesting accusation. I assume you have statistics to back it up.
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Yes its called "MY" mental abilities to comprehend and the non-results of our education system. It seems we have more teachers trying to find ways of getting into our students pants than into their minds. You want stats? Just tune into the evening news or open up a newspaper. There are 3 kinds of lies presented by other liars. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical Analysis {Samuel Clemons}. As any and all stats can be molded to present what set of facts one wishes them to present. Thus, I suggest that you disprove the accusation by Statistics. I, personally do not want to engage on some diverted fishing expedition, only because you have suggested such, you want to go fishing do your own leg work. BD
Teacher turnover leaves void in U.S. schools - International Herald Tribune
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04-26-2008, 02:27 PM
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Yes its called "MY" mental abilities to comprehend and the non-results of our education system. It seems we have more teachers trying to find ways of getting into our students pants than into their minds.
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Really? There are hundreds of thousands of teachers trying to find ways of getting into their student's pants? Where are your stats for that little gem?
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You want stats? Just tune into the evening news or open up a newspaper.
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I do, every day and I'm not seeing anything that backs up your...er...accusations.
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There are 3 kinds of lies presented by other liars. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical Analysis {Samuel Clemons}.
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OK, that explains where YOU are coming from.
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As any and all stats can be molded to present what set of facts one wishes them to present. Thus, I suggest that you disprove the accusation by Statistics. I, personally do not want to engage on some diverted fishing expedition, only because you have suggested such, you want to go fishing do your own leg work. BD
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In other words, you've got squat. I understand.
I don't blame people for leaving the teaching profession with people like you painting all teachers as pedophiles and putting the responsibilities of education ALL on their shoulders. Forget the lazy students. Forget the irresponsible and unattached parents. It's all the teachers' fault.
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04-26-2008, 02:34 PM
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Really? There are hundreds of thousands of teachers trying to find ways of getting into their student's pants? Where are your stats for that little gem?
I do, every day and I'm not seeing anything that backs up your...er...accusations.
OK, that explains where YOU are coming from.
In other words, you've got squat. I understand.
I don't blame people for leaving the teaching profession with people like you painting all teachers as pedophiles and putting the responsibilities of education ALL on their shoulders. Forget the lazy students. Forget the irresponsible and unattached parents. It's all the teachers' fault.
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You have the same problems with "comprehension" as do most liberal thinkers. The problem being presented is the fact of not being able to retain qualified teachers due to the lack of compensation. Why should some bright intelligent instructor stay employed by the state...especially when all the benefits go to some burnt outs sitting in the teachers lounge sipping coffee having given up on their profession years ago? Teachers pay should be in consideration of results, no matter what age or how many years of tenure they have. This occupation is not some common labor job that just anyone can do, as the unions now present it. When you have someone that is very talented and produces results, you pay them, not the ones that stand on their shoulders and try to usurp the authority of their demonstrated work, with cries of...."But, I have tenure". When this happens, just as recent history demonstrates....what you have left is APATHY. We should pay these talented people the value of their worth. Even the lying politicians are being compensated at a greater rate than our teachers....one then must ask, WHY? BD
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04-26-2008, 02:41 PM
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You have the same problems with "comprehension" as do most liberal thinkers.
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Thank you....I will take that as a compliment from someone who states that the majority of teachers are pedophiles.
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The problem being presented is the fact of being able to retain qualified teachers due to the lack of compensation.
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Compensation for all the crap that gets poured their way. Do you think teachers would leave in droves if they were supported? No.
Do you think that teachers would leave in droves if the job wasn't so physically dangerous in some districts? No.
Do you think that teachers would leave in droves if they had parental participation and support in the education of children? No.
Teachers, nowadays, need compensation in the same way that soldiers get hazardous duty pay.
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Why should some bright intelligent instructor stay employed by the state...especially when all the benefits go to some burnt outs sitting in the teachers lounge sipping coffee having given up on their profession years ago?
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How about the FACT that intelligent people are not going to flock to a thankless job where the children expect to be entertained, the parents expect a babysitter, and people like you call the majority pedophiles and the rest lazy.
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Teachers pay should be in consideration of results, no matter what age or how many years of tenure they have. This occupation is not some labor job as the unions now present it.
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I have NEVER seen a teacher's union present teaching as if it were some labor job. NEVER. Teaching is a calling, a profession. But you are welcome to try to prove me wrong.
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When you have someone that is very talented and produces results, you pay them, not the ones that stand on their shoulders and try to usurp the authority of their demonstrated work, with cries of...."But, I have tenure". BD
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Very nice. Now...how do you measure teachers by the product...the product that is another human being. A product that that teacher sees only about one hour a day, about 180 days a year (if the kid shows up), and is not in control of that product's background, motivation, and other baggage?
But, of course, it's all the teachers' fault.
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04-26-2008, 02:51 PM
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Thank you....I will take that as a compliment from someone who states that the majority of teachers are pedophiles.
Compensation for all the crap that gets poured their way. Do you think teachers would leave in droves if they were supported? No.
Do you think that teachers would leave in droves if the job wasn't so physically dangerous in some districts? No.
Do you think that teachers would leave in droves if they had parental participation and support in the education of children? No.
Teachers, nowadays, need compensation in the same way that soldiers get hazardous duty pay.
How about the FACT that intelligent people are not going to flock to a thankless job where the children expect to be entertained, the parents expect a babysitter, and people like you call the majority pedophiles and the rest lazy.
I have NEVER seen a teacher's union present teaching as if it were some labor job. NEVER. Teaching is a calling, a profession. But you are welcome to try to prove me wrong.
Very nice. Now...how do you measure teachers by the product...the product that is another human being. A product that that teacher sees only about one hour a day, about 180 days a year (if the kid shows up), and is not in control of that product's background, motivation, and other baggage?
But, of course, it's all the teachers' fault.
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You have just presented the proof, of my argument. The liberals have no true sense of just what justifies priorities in the nation. Its no wonder we as nation are now resting at the bottom of the food chain in the area of education. Just why are the conditions as such as you have described? Could it be the way that all our so called civil liberties have been protected by the Communists in this nation passing themselves off as liberals? You take the reason for moral fiber out the school system, the transcending authority of the creator, and this is the results. It can be nothing else. Is the 2% that do not wish to place their hand upon the Holy Bible and swear an oath of allegiance to the morality thereof worth the collapse of our entire education system? We are a Republic not a socialist democracy, and this nation was founded upon the principals of the transcending authority of a higher power....when you remove this principal, you remove the morality. What you are describing is the lack of morality gestated by the ideology of people such as yourself, nothing less. Now you act shocked at your own handiwork? Most laughable indeed. BD
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04-26-2008, 02:57 PM
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"Could it be the way that all our so called civil liberties have been protected by the Communists in this nation passing themselves off as liberals? You take the reason for moral fiber out the school system, the transcending authority of the creator, and this is the results. It can be nothing else. Is the 2% that do not wish to place their hand upon the Holy Bible and swear an oath of allegiance to the morality thereof worth the collapse of our entire education system? BD"
Back to Jebuscamp, Bitch.
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04-26-2008, 03:00 PM
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"Could it be the way that all our so called civil liberties have been protected by the Communists in this nation passing themselves off as liberals? You take the reason for moral fiber out the school system, the transcending authority of the creator, and this is the results. It can be nothing else. Is the 2% that do not wish to place their hand upon the Holy Bible and swear an oath of allegiance to the morality thereof worth the collapse of our entire education system? BD"
Back to Jebuscamp, Bitch.
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You still seem to lack the comprehension to distinguish between a professed Christian and a Christian that draws their doctrine from the source, THE HOLY BIBLE....don't ya HOLLYWOOD? BD
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04-26-2008, 03:03 PM
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I draw a distinction between concerned Americans and FlatWorlder whackjobs like you.
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