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04-21-2008, 12:21 AM
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Well, that's not the way I read it, BD. And it's pretty clear to me. Like I said, if they wanted our law to be based on "God"....whatever that means (whose God, etc.), then they would have said so explicitly. But, they didn't....not one word. Nope.
Don't forget about that little pesky 14th Amendment, BD....it basically says that all personal freedoms and governmental restrictions in the Constitution (including the Separation of Church and State) apply to all levels of governement including state and local.
And what "opined" right is that....the fact that I shouldn't have to pay for and support your religious beliefs? Sure the Constitution does...it does so via your favorite clause....the Establishment Clause.
And it took the about the same amount of time for the nation to realize that we are all equal independent of race, etc. Good movements like this....ones the challenge traditional authorities....take time, BD
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As I said, your opinion, or anyones opinion does not change the actual WORDS of the constitution. It is a shame that we had to have the whole basis of our legal system dragged out from underneath of "we the people" to make these all so successful changes as can be demonstrated in our courts and on our streets every day. Corruption, immorality, perversion, drug addiction, murder...all up 3 fold from the time these most successful changes were made. And that's not even counting the 3700 babies killed every day by our current legal system in the form of abortion. Your opinions of GOOD and mine vary drastically.BD
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04-21-2008, 01:27 AM
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As I said, your opinion, or anyones opinion does not change the actual WORDS of the constitution. It is a shame that we had to have the whole basis of our legal system dragged out from underneath of "we the people" to make these all so successful changes as can be demonstrated in our courts and on our streets every day. Corruption, immorality, perversion, drug addiction, murder...all up 3 fold from the time these most successful changes were made. And that's not even counting the 3700 babies killed every day by our current legal system in the form of abortion. Your opinions of GOOD and mine vary drastically.BD
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Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation, BD. We've argued this before....and you never proved to me that these secular changes led to these effects....and your claiming it over and over doesn't make it so. Hell, you haven't even proven that life before these changes was really any better than it is today.....say....like back in 1890 when 5% of the population controlled 97% of the wealth and 12-year old boys were forced to work 12-hour days in the coal mines. Not to mention, the many people who lived in constant fear of hanging from a tree all on account of the color of their skin.
Yeah, good times, BD....
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04-21-2008, 01:29 AM
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Yeah, good times,  DYNO-MITE!!
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04-21-2008, 01:53 AM
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Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation, BD. We've argued this before....and you never proved to me that these secular changes led to these effects....and your claiming it over and over doesn't make it so. Hell, you haven't even proven that life before these changes was really any better than it is today.....say....like back in 1890 when 5% of the population controlled 97% of the wealth and 12-year old boys were forced to work 12-hour days in the coal mines. Not to mention, the many people who lived in constant fear of hanging from a tree all on account of the color of their skin.
Yeah, good times, BD....
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Why should someone have to prove what can be read everyday in newsprint and witnessed everyday in our own neighborhoods? "you'r funny". Yes I remember you are quite fond of going in circles with your liberal reasoning that has no cognation to logic, without proving or disproving anything, just attempting to deflect and avoid getting cornered, ducking and weaving, who would rather walk 10 miles to accept a lie than right across the street to believe the truth, if they thought that it would keep them sucking at the tit of the taxpayer. Yet, you consider yourself somewhat of an independent thinker. Are you really trying to declare that society has not become more wicked in the last half of the 20th century to date? The proof of the pudding is in the taste, as he said, its time for my neighborhood watch shift to begin. Cornered by the truth. Oh, and you spell "endowed" with unalienable right to life, liberty, and happiness.. from our "CREATOR", EXACTLY AS IT SOUNDS. BD
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04-21-2008, 08:33 AM
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Why should someone have to prove what can be read everyday in newsprint and witnessed everyday in our own neighborhoods? "you'r funny". Yes I remember you are quite fond of going in circles with your liberal reasoning that has no cognation to logic, without proving or disproving anything, just attempting to deflect and avoid getting cornered, ducking and weaving, who would rather walk 10 miles to accept a lie than right across the street to believe the truth, if they thought that it would keep them sucking at the tit of the taxpayer. Yet, you consider yourself somewhat of an independent thinker. Are you really trying to declare that society has not become more wicked in the last half of the 20th century to date? The proof of the pudding is in the taste, as he said, its time for my neighborhood watch shift to begin. Cornered by the truth. Oh, and you spell "endowed" with unalienable right to life, liberty, and happiness.. from our "CREATOR", EXACTLY AS IT SOUNDS. BD
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04-21-2008, 09:09 AM
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Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation, BD. We've argued this before....and you never proved to me that these secular changes led to these effects....and your claiming it over and over doesn't make it so. Hell, you haven't even proven that life before these changes was really any better than it is today.....say....like back in 1890 when 5% of the population controlled 97% of the wealth and 12-year old boys were forced to work 12-hour days in the coal mines. Not to mention, the many people who lived in constant fear of hanging from a tree all on account of the color of their skin.
Yeah, good times, BD....
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Another good point....
There have been MANY factors that have changed society, rapidly changing technology has drastically changed communications and other human activities...
It is natural to want to find a "cause" for things, but often correlation is confused with causation in an effort to simplify the explanation, to make the explanation fit some observed truth.
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04-21-2008, 09:22 AM
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Where's the ACLU????
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04-21-2008, 09:23 AM
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Where's the ACLU????
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I'm sure if that teacher contacts them, they will be there. They have helped many Christians in the past.
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04-21-2008, 09:24 AM
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I'm sure if that teacher contacts them, they will be there. They have helped many Christians in the past.
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BAHAHAHAHAHA....list your sources. They're only helping the TX kids because of the publicity. They helped the PERVERTED politicians for publicity. |
04-21-2008, 09:31 AM
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I'm sure if that teacher contacts them, they will be there. They have helped many Christians in the past.
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BAHAHAHAHAHA....list your sources. They're only helping the TX kids because of the publicity. They helped the PERVERTED politicians for publicity.
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I'm still under the 15 post rule which prohibits my posting a clickable link, but here is an example of the ACLU representing Christian groups.
ACLU Sues for Anti-Gay Group That Pickets at Troops' Burials
By Garance Burke
Associated Press
Sunday, July 23, 2006; Page A02
washingtonpost.com
The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit Friday in the U.S. District Court in Jefferson City, Mo., on behalf of the fundamentalist Westboro Baptist Church, which has outraged mourning communities by picketing service members' funerals with signs condemning homosexuality.
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