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04-20-2008, 10:25 AM
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The rule of law started from christian morals and values in this country and the ten commandments is part of that belief so in a manor of speaking yes it did.
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No it did not. Rule of law comes from the ideas of the Enlightenment and English tradition going back to the Magna Carta.
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04-20-2008, 10:26 AM
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If the person were a Muslim and the book was the Koran no one would dare say a word about it. That's racial discrimination, but if it's an American and the Bible that's not allowed..
Welcome to the NEW AMERICA.... duhhhhh 
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Actually, if he were Muslim....people would be clammering for his dismissal....even if he didn't have a Koran lying around.
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04-20-2008, 10:34 AM
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One word.... HOMESCHOOLING.
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Absolutely, I do not know why the seculars don't take their pragmatic view from home instructors instead of trying to impose them upon a Christian nation. BD
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04-20-2008, 10:46 AM
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Absolutely, I do not know why the seculars don't take their pragmatic view from home instructors instead of trying to impose them upon a Christian nation. BD
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If you are referring to our country, America is not a Christian nation...it is a nation with lots of Christians in it...
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04-20-2008, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lexi
If the person were a Muslim and the book was the Koran no one would dare say a word about it. That's racial discrimination, but if it's an American and the Bible that's not allowed..
Welcome to the NEW AMERICA.... duhhhhh 
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I agree, Lexi.
I'm not putting my personal reading material in a bag in case I offend someone, talk about being PC. 
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04-20-2008, 11:25 AM
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Its a pity that "Blackstone's Commentaries on the Law" does not hold a similar view, is it not? This book that set legal precedence from 1776 thru 1920 was withdrawn as the standard of legal reference in the last century, with no clear message as to why. I would guarantee that no history whatsoever that is being taught our children in todays classroom is mentioned concerning the legal reference this book declares.
This is the very reason that our students are so illiterate in the area of history, the secular humanists actually fear that America's real history will be discovered. Upon graduation, more than half our students cannot tell you when the first world war was engaged, when slavery ended, or when women gained the right to vote....this begs to ask the question why? Could it be the fear that if actual history is demanded to be comprehended by our students that it might expose the fabrication that God did not have any part whatsoever in the foundation and continued success of this nation? And until the cornerstone of American Jurisprudence was removed as the legal authority and the only book referenced by the Supreme Court well into the 20th century was in fact "Blackstone's Commentaries on the Law", this success continued.
Once the transcending authority of the creator was removed as the precedent, our legal system has morphed into the pragmatic trash that is observable today, in its revolving door polices that lets the criminals set the standard to our morality. As I have said before when evil is rewarded and innocent righteousness is punished, there indeed is something very wrong with such a system. And this fact is observed on a daily basis as you hear of some criminal getting to go scott free due to some legal precedence of the past being breeched, only on "paper", often made by some secular Judge. When the sitting judges stopped looking to the US Constitution and Blackstone's Commentaries as precedent and started looking at what some sitting Judge had decided in the past, no matter how lame it might have been.....America indeed lost it way. BD
Contained with in the pages of this Law Book was these two basic legal precedents. 1.) Man could make no Law that was directly contradictory to God's decrees. 2.) But if God was silent on any subject the State indeed had the right to impose their own laws. An example was given in Section Two, it concerned the Laws regulating the crime of murder, and it specifically declared that man must always consider murder as unrighteous and illegal. In fact this Law Book taught that if there was any man made law on the books that declared murder not longer illegal, that we as free people had the right to disregard this law as unrighteous. Why? Because it went directly against one of God's decrees.
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Hi BD,
Let me clarify....discussing religious based laws and doctrine....like the Ten Commandments, Hebrew Law, etc....in a historical context is fine and should be done so for students to understand the origins and nature of the American legal system. However, when a teacher places a plaque with the Ten Commandments in his/her classroom or puts the Bible on display in plain view, that's NOT teaching history.....that's proselytizing. And because they are public officials performing a publicly-funded job, that is a violation of the Doctrine of Separation of Church and State.
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04-20-2008, 11:29 AM
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I agree, Lexi.
I'm not putting my personal reading material in a bag in case I offend someone, talk about being PC. 
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That's fine Ocean...and well within your rights; however, you will not be teaching at a public school system, private perhaps....
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04-20-2008, 11:43 AM
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SN, I for one don't take the bible in the literal sense. For instance in Genesis the creation story says that God created the heavens and the earth and on the 7th day he rested. It doesn't make God smaller if in fact the days were a million years long.
The Bible tells us how the ten commandments were given by God to Moses. If I remember my history correctly we have found that a Persian named Hamarbi wrote down laws similar to the Commandents and they have been used to be the basis for how civilized people peacefuly coexist.
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SN in considering your liberal thinking was wondering if you would contradict my post.
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04-20-2008, 11:45 AM
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Hi BD,
Let me clarify....discussing religious based laws and doctrine....like the Ten Commandments, Hebrew Law, etc....in a historical context is fine and should be done so for students to understand the origins and nature of the American legal system. However, when a teacher places a plaque with the Ten Commandments in his/her classroom or puts the Bible on display in plain view, that's NOT teaching history.....that's proselytizing. And because they are public officials performing a publicly-funded job, that is a violation of the Doctrine of Separation of Church and State.
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And what is "constitutionally" wrong with that? That was the point, up until the time that God and his decrees were removed by the secular law judges, in the instance of removing "Blackstone's Commentaries on the Law" as legal precedent, there was no such claim as any separation of church and state found anywhere in our legal system. This idea of erecting a wall was performed in 1947 not 1776....post facto, after God being removed as the transcending authority of even our US Constitution. And this indeed is what the humanists do not want to be exposed by their interpretation found in modern school and history books. God as a matter of fact was taught in all our school systems until it was "opined" away in the 1940's. And not by words found in the constitution, but by Judge Black's interpretation of what one of our amendments declared. He did not consult the book that was used when drafting this amendment, Blackstone's Law, but rather his very own modern version of precedent....the opinion of people, rather than God.
Nowhere in the constitution is "judicial review" declared to be from any other source other than the constitution. In fact, all US office holders must swear an oath to uphold the principals of such, and that includes all the supreme court judges. BD
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04-20-2008, 12:30 PM
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That's fine Ocean...and well within your rights; however, you will not be teaching at a public school system, private perhaps....
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My daughter is currently in a public school and her teacher is Christian with Christian personal effects on his desk. Amazing, no one has complained. Maybe because the parents don't enter the classroom.
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