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I suppose that it will be illegal to wear a chain with a cross on it too?
The principle in Oregon said the cross was a symbol for a hispanic gang and that is why he will not let the students wear a cross.
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Fire him, we don't need some religious freak trying to prove something in a public school.
You better read the Free Exercise clause of the 1st Amendment friend.
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You better read the Free Exercise clause of the 1st Amendment friend.
This is in a public school it violates the Establishment Clause, plain and simple.
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Old 04-26-2008, 09:54 PM
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If he had the book "God is not Great" on his desk they would of thrown him a parade.
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You better read the Free Exercise clause of the 1st Amendment friend.
His firing would NOT be a violation of the Free Exercise Clause....the Constitution guarantees many freedoms including the freedom of religion; however, one of those freedoms is not a guaranteed right to teach at a public school.
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If he had the book "God is not Great" on his desk they would of thrown him a parade.
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You miss the point here or you choose to do so.
There are Govt funded Islamic schools in America.
There are schools with black students only that are funded by the Govt.
There are Govt funded schools that use the Koran.

This is an attack on Christians ONLY!
Yes...Christians are so persecuted in this country. Boo Hoo.
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His firing would NOT be a violation of the Free Exercise Clause....the Constitution guarantees many freedoms including the freedom of religion; however, one of those freedoms is not a guaranteed right to teach at a public school.
Yes, but it is a guaranteed right not to get fired "because" of one's race, religion, or sex. If the only reason that is presented for someone to be dismissed is because of some misapplied interpretation of the 1st amendment in regard to ones professed faith, HE/SHE INDEED HAS A WRONGFUL DISMISSAL CASE.....according to legal precedence....the 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, TITLE SEVEN, which prohibits such action..it seems this sword is sharpened on both edges. As the anti-bigot bigots forgot that what goes around comes around.BD

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Yes, but it is a guaranteed right not to get fired "because" of one's race, religion, or sex. If the only reason that is presented for someone to be dismissed is because of some misapplied interpretation of the 1st amendment in regard to ones professed faith, HE/SHE INDEED HAS A WRONGFUL DISMISSAL CASE.....according to legal precedence....the 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, TITLE SEVEN, which prohibits such action..it seems this sword is sharpened on both edges. As the anti-bigot bigots forgot that what goes around comes around.BD

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That's if he is indeed being fired only because of his religion, e.g., just for being a Christian. But, that's not the case here, BD. He would be fired because his actions were determined to violate that pesky Establishment Clause. The way I see it, BD....this situation involves two statements inside the First Amendment; 1) The Establishment Clause and 2) the Free Exercise Clause. And in this particular situation, they seem to be at odds with one another....and when that happens, it falls upon the courts to define and draw the boundary lines between these two Constitutional principles....at least in this situation. My guess is that the Establishment Clause wins out. Why? By law, kids have to attend school and most attend public schools....and by law, you, me and everyone else must pay taxes to support these schools....no way around it, BD. However, this teacher doesn't have to teach at a public school; he can teach at a private school....or he doesn't have to teach at all. He has a choice while others do not.
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Hi BD,

That's if he is indeed being fired only because of his religion, e.g., just for being a Christian. But, that's not the case here, BD. He would be fired because his actions were determined to violate that pesky Establishment Clause. The way I see it, BD....this situation involves two statements inside the First Amendment; 1) The Establishment Clause and 2) the Free Exercise Clause. And in this particular situation, they seem to be at odds with one another....and when that happens, it falls upon the courts to define and draw the boundary lines between these two Constitutional principles....at least in this situation. My guess is that the Establishment Clause wins out. Why? By law, kids have to attend school and most attend public schools....and by law, you, me and everyone else must pay taxes to support these schools....no way around it, BD. However, this teacher doesn't have to teach at a public school; he can teach at a private school....or he doesn't have to teach at all. He has a choice while others do not.
If he is fired, it would most likely be for defiance of school rules and policies. Believe it or not, even tenured teachers have to follow the rules or else they are canned.
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