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04-13-2008, 11:01 PM
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What is so wrong about School Vouchers?
Seriously, I hear a lot of quietness when someone throws the School Voucher argument in a Democrats face. Why on Earth would anyone be against School Vouchers? I imagine that the people opposed to them can already afford to pay for private schooling and just can not fathom money going away from failing public schools.
Most Education Reform Activists support school voucher systems. I just do not understand it. You can throw all the money you like at public Schools, nothing ever gets better and our kids keep getting dumber.
Let me hear a serious criticism of School Vouchers. I have yet to hear one.
Sweden, Ireland, The Netherlands, Chile, and Hong Kong have or are implementing School voucher systems. Why would this be detrimental to the United States?
Come on, I am waiting...
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04-14-2008, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by satv365
Seriously, I hear a lot of quietness when someone throws the School Voucher argument in a Democrats face. Why on Earth would anyone be against School Vouchers? I imagine that the people opposed to them can already afford to pay for private schooling and just can not fathom money going away from failing public schools.
Most Education Reform Activists support school voucher systems. I just do not understand it. You can throw all the money you like at public Schools, nothing ever gets better and our kids keep getting dumber.
Let me hear a serious criticism of School Vouchers. I have yet to hear one.
Sweden, Ireland, The Netherlands, Chile, and Hong Kong have or are implementing School voucher systems. Why would this be detrimental to the United States?
Come on, I am waiting...
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I am all for school choice. Schools should be allowed to choose who they will take and who they will not.
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04-14-2008, 03:43 AM
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I am all for school choice. Schools should be allowed to choose who they will take and who they will not.
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I would also instill the simple truth that when a Public School closes, it is always a good thing. If you are not for School Vouchers, than you support the problems with our Educational System, period. Public Schools having the monopoly on Education is the problem. We need to break up this monopoly and see what the Free Market and a little bit of incremental phases of Free Market pracitices can do for our Education System.
Seeing as how Government failed. Why not go the other way?
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04-14-2008, 04:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by satv365
Seriously, I hear a lot of quietness when someone throws the School Voucher argument in a Democrats face. Why on Earth would anyone be against School Vouchers? I imagine that the people opposed to them can already afford to pay for private schooling and just can not fathom money going away from failing public schools.
Most Education Reform Activists support school voucher systems. I just do not understand it. You can throw all the money you like at public Schools, nothing ever gets better and our kids keep getting dumber.
Let me hear a serious criticism of School Vouchers. I have yet to hear one.
Sweden, Ireland, The Netherlands, Chile, and Hong Kong have or are implementing School voucher systems. Why would this be detrimental to the United States?
Come on, I am waiting...
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its selfish, thats why. people who are interested in school vouchers do NOT represent the majority of our population, who is very reliant on the public school system. this only takes money away from poor people and public schools and gives GOVERNMENT TAXES to religious institutions and private schools none of which is required to teach anything. there are also a lot of Americans who live far away from schools, and even further from private schools.
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04-14-2008, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by satv365
I would also instill the simple truth that when a Public School closes, it is always a good thing. If you are not for School Vouchers, than you support the problems with our Educational System, period. Public Schools having the monopoly on Education is the problem. We need to break up this monopoly and see what the Free Market and a little bit of incremental phases of Free Market pracitices can do for our Education System.
Seeing as how Government failed. Why not go the other way?
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it isn't a monopoly because it isn't a business: It is totally transparent. Supporting vouchers is supporting religious extremist training camps, elitist rich boarding schools, and a litany of shit I can't spend the time it would take to list. If you think the public school system is failing children, you should see the kids that come out of private schools! Private schools are NOT transparent, so of course, you have no idea what goes on in all of them, nor are statistics compiled to make them collectively look bad.
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04-14-2008, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Suburbanite
it isn't a monopoly because it isn't a business: It is totally transparent. Supporting vouchers is supporting religious extremist training camps, elitist rich boarding schools, and a litany of shit I can't spend the time it would take to list. If you think the public school system is failing children, you should see the kids that come out of private schools! Private schools are NOT transparent, so of course, you have no idea what goes on in all of them, nor are statistics compiled to make them collectively look bad.
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Idiotic. Private Schools have to go through the same verification and crediting that any School would. Noone is gonna give vouchers to Al Qaida Training Camps. Private Schools by comparison offer better education than any private school would.
Hell, even Religious Private Schools fair better by comparison.
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04-14-2008, 06:01 AM
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You saying The Netherlands funds Religious Extremists or Sweden? Come on, your appealing to your religious bigotry and not reason.
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04-14-2008, 07:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by satv365
I would also instill the simple truth that when a Public School closes, it is always a good thing. If you are not for School Vouchers, than you support the problems with our Educational System, period. Public Schools having the monopoly on Education is the problem. We need to break up this monopoly and see what the Free Market and a little bit of incremental phases of Free Market pracitices can do for our Education System.
Seeing as how Government failed. Why not go the other way?
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Yes...free market will work very well with our children and their education. Make it for profit. Yep. Excellent idea. And what do you think those free market, for profit schools will do with those struggling students?
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04-14-2008, 08:55 AM
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I am all for school choice. Schools should be allowed to choose who they will take and who they will not.
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I agree, 100%. 
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04-14-2008, 09:01 AM
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Well, even public schools have rules and when broken, public schools do have the option of expulsion of offending students...so they do have a choice in what students to take, in a way.
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