Coyote:

So what your saying is that in a worst-case-scenario it would be no different than it is now.

No, things would be worse, as money is removed from public education and wasted on a simplistic fantasy

There are children in many inner-city high schools who can’t read. So we are already producing ignorant children.

There are people in many places who can't read. Many of them post here as right-wingers. Before all the chicken littles tie their panties in knots, you might remember that our ed system produces the most productive worker in the world.

What you’re also saying is the majority of parents will choose to send their children to private schools were they will not receive a good education but instead the children will come out more ignorant.

I'm saying that I hope that wherever they are sent, they can learn to construct a sentence more coherent than that one. You have no evidence that private schools would do anything better, basing this supposition entirely on the performance of students more motivated, with more prosperous and more motivated parents.

Why not take all children away form their parents and put them in government run orphanages?

Or, since you love being melodramatic, we could grind them up and sell them to McDonald's. That would reduce gov't debt.

Parents tend to want what is best when it comes to their children’s educationand have their best welfare at heart.

Which is why we have public education, instead of the panicky, simplistic response you advocate.

Many parents would send their children to a private school where they can receive a better education but they can’t afford it.

And vouchers would do nothing to help them pay a $15,000 tuition (or much higher).

Vouchers remain a simplistic solution attractive to simple minds.

nathan:

Those who are anti voucher are racist.

Yeah, a klucker wannabe is all broken up about racism. You need to stop treating people like they are as stupid as you are.

For someone who claims a higher education you certainly are stupid. You seem to sincerely believe an insult is as good as an explanation.

You are a good little Nazi aren't you?

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Yo Nathan,

What's it like; being stuck on Stupid?

KluckerWannabe:

For someone who claims a higher education you certainly are stupid. You seem to sincerely believe an insult is as good as an explanation.

Stupid enough, say, to post a "stupid" insult, then whine about insults in the next sentence?

WONG! Money is wasted now. The voucher systems will insure public funds are spend more efficiently.

But I’m talking about high high-school students. I believe If a school is failing to teach kids to read before getting into high-school their parents should be able to take their kids out of that system. What’s wrong with that? Why are you against school choice if it helps kids?

More often than not the most productive Americans are the one that avoided the American system.

I’m not just talking about private schools, I’m talking about choice. School vouchers will make both parents and students more motivated because they will have more options available to them they will not be trapped by a government sponsored monopoly. When the government school faces competition that will motivate them to be better teachers.

Nice strawman I’ve never said anything about government dept. However, you implied that parents can’t be trusted to choose their own child’s school for the. If you really believe that then why should they be trusted with the responsibility of raising their children? In fact they might have bible thumping parents. Do you believe parents be allowed to indoctrinate their kids with their religious beliefs? Hmmmm?

But many parents feel that their local public schools are not doing a good job educating their children. School vouchers will enable them to make better choices and do what is best for their children’s education.

What’s your point? Many schools charge much less than that.

Well you failed to demonstrate that.

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Coyote:

WONG! Money is wasted now. The voucher systems will insure public funds are spend more efficiently.

Uh huh. We know this is true, because you say it is, and you believe it so ... desperately.

Anyway, your abiliity to repeat the same, empty cliches over and over has overwhelmed me. I cannot compensate for you guys being immune to your own boredom venom.

You believe private secular schools will be affordable with vouchers. You talk of parents "feeling" public schools aren't blah, blah, blah. You make assertions like most productive Americans avoided public education, when that is patently absurd ... but, you gotta believe it. There's no way of dealing with you faith-based experts.

Chant your rightard mantra/cliches until my disturbance in your universe passes away ...

I agree. Boards of Ed can't do that...and a teacher or a teacher's meeting would know that.

(BTW: I heard that old fear tactic when the ERA was up for ratification...we call it the "potty principle of fear")

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No based on the evidence I have seen where school choice has been implemented.

I have to repeat the points that you’ve ignored. Just because you ignore, gloss over, or make smartalec responses doesn’t mean you’ve made any sort of intellectual challenge. .

Not every secular school that’s a strawman.

It’s not just the parents, Americans kids are being out outperformed in math against their European counterparts that do have school choice.

I’m logic-based expert.

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