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03-31-2008, 12:09 PM
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In a perfect world, there would be no such thing as a Government School. All schools would be private institutions and the Government would only provide vouchers and tuition for poor and the middle class, making rich families pay for their own education.
It would decrease the tax burden, eliminate the vile power of Teacher's Unions, and generally provide better Education for all Children.
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The federal government should not be involved in anyway with educational funding. Get rid of the Department of Uneducational, get rid of school vouchers, get rid of all federally funded public schools. Turn the schools back over to the neighborhoods.
This will never happen because the left wingers in this country do not want anyone to have a choice. Furthermore they want to use the schools as tools of propaganda. This is the reason they want your children in government schools at an earlier and earlier date. Now they want 3 year olds, they will not stop until they snatch the child from the birth canal and put it into government institutions "for the good of the child"
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03-31-2008, 12:18 PM
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Who would provide standardization and quality control of the education our American children are getting?
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Parental involvement, like it was before the teachers unions took it away from them.
Liberal Nazi's will never allow parents to be in control of their children's education, they believe parents are stupid and only elitist liberals know what is best for the child.
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03-31-2008, 01:22 PM
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Turn the schools back over to the neighborhoods.
Ooh, good thinking. Let the bible thumpers do the curriculum. And they can pay for everything with bake sales.
Hell, what do we need with an educated work force, anyway?
Parental involvement, like it was before the teachers unions took it away from them.
And how did they do this? Gun point? Victim-wannabe.
The only parents I ever see are the parents of good students, and those parents who have a tantrum when their little darling gets disciplined.
Liberal Nazi's will never allow parents to be in control of their children's education, they believe parents are stupid and only elitist liberals know what is best for the child.
As opposed to yahoos like you who haven't been inside a school since you got your third-grade diploma. If you had stayed in a little longer, you might have learned to question whether parroting "elitist" is quite the insult you believe it is.
People who would never dare stand over the should of their mechanic and offer advice all believe they are experts on education.
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03-31-2008, 02:11 PM
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KluckerWannabe:
Turn the schools back over to the neighborhoods.
Ooh, good thinking. Let the bible thumpers do the curriculum. And they can pay for everything with bake sales.
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And in some nationhood secular people will be in control of the curriculum. It’s all about choice. What’s wrong with choice, other than you might personally agree with the choices other people make?
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Hell, what do we need with an educated work force, anyway?
Parental involvement, like it was before the teachers unions took it away from them.
And how did they do this? Gun point? Victim-wannabe.
The only parents I ever see are the parents of good students, and those parents who have a tantrum when their little darling gets disciplined.
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What about classroom discipline? Vouchers would remedy that.
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Liberal Nazi's will never allow parents to be in control of their children's education, they believe parents are stupid and only elitist liberals know what is best for the child.
As opposed to yahoos like you who haven't been inside a school since you got your third-grade diploma. If you had stayed in a little longer, you might have learned to question whether parroting "elitist" is quite the insult you believe it is.
People who would never dare stand over the should of their mechanic and offer advice all believe they are experts on education.
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Again… vouchers would put the parents in charge…not those “yahoos”.
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03-31-2008, 02:26 PM
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And in some nationhood secular people will be in control of the curriculum. It’s all about choice. What’s wrong with choice, other than you might personally agree with the choices other people make?
Because a workforce educated by the standards of bible thumpers and people with no expertise will make us less competitive in the world. We can't afford to "choose" ignorance.
What about classroom discipline? Vouchers would remedy that.
Really? How? Discipline is a matter largely of legalities. Yes, private schools can expel students more easily, but what do you then do with them?
Again… vouchers would put the parents in charge…not those “yahoos”.
Why would putting the parents in charge be a good thing? What expertise do they have in education? You also don't make clear how vouchers would put parents in charge.
As private school tuition costs several thousand dollars in secular schools, vouchers would serve only the rich or churches. In the end, moving students around would mean moving around the same teachers you don't like now - no one else to teach them.
Vouchers are a simplistic solution for simple minds.
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03-31-2008, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
The federal government should not be involved in anyway with educational funding. Get rid of the Department of Uneducational, get rid of school vouchers, get rid of all federally funded public schools. Turn the schools back over to the neighborhoods.
This will never happen because the left wingers in this country do not want anyone to have a choice. Furthermore they want to use the schools as tools of propaganda. This is the reason they want your children in government schools at an earlier and earlier date. Now they want 3 year olds, they will not stop until they snatch the child from the birth canal and put it into government institutions "for the good of the child"
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I agree..and You couldn't have said it any better...We need to get a vote for that on the ballot. Let's get rid of these exhausted & exhausting government schools. The teachers (as hard as some try)... are brainwashed by the Teacher's Union...only a small few are smart enough to see through the BS.... THEY ARE A JOKE
I happened to be in a teacher meeting when I was told that the Board of Education was trying to pass a law to make the bathrooms in public schools "co-ed"..... Do these idiots have anything better to do. AND can any liberal tell me HOW passing that law will help DECREASE sexual misconduct on school grounds??? Perhaps they can put waterbeds in the bathroom too. What a bunch of morons. I want my voucher!!!!!
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03-31-2008, 03:39 PM
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I happened to be in a teacher meeting when I was told that the Board of Education was trying to pass a law to make the bathrooms in public schools "co-ed
Boards of Education don't pass laws. You are a clumsy liar. This is an old, righty horror story with almost no basis in reality.
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03-31-2008, 03:59 PM
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Because a workforce educated by the standards of bible thumpers and people with no expertise will make us less competitive in the world. We can't afford to "choose" ignorance.
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So what your saying is that in a worst-case-scenario it would be no different than it is now. There are children in many inner-city high schools who can’t read. So we are already producing ignorant children.
What you’re also saying is the majority of parents will choose to send their children to private schools were they will not receive a good education but instead the children will come out more ignorant. Your argument doesn’t make any sense, we don’t see this with children who receive collage scholarships, why then would it occur in K-12 education?
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Really? How? Discipline is a matter largely of legalities. Yes, private schools can expel students more easily, but what do you then do with them?
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Vouchers would make schools more likely to discipline students and less likely to expel them, because private schools would be forced to compete with other schools for voucher money. So it in the schools interest to discipline the students.
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Why would putting the parents in charge be a good thing?
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Why is letting parents raise their own children a good thing? Why not take all children away form their parents and put them in government run orphanages? Parents tend to want what is best when it comes to their children’s educationand have their best welfare at heart. Many parents would send their children to a private school where they can receive a better education but they can’t afford it.
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What expertise do they have in education?
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They have the same expertise as they do when they pick a cell phone plan or a computer. They pick the ones that best accommodate their needs.
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As private school tuition costs several thousand dollars in secular schools, vouchers would serve only the rich or churches.
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Not necessarily, a voucher could pay partial cost of the tuition and the parent and make up the rest. Also Nothing would stop secular minded individuals and organizations from setting up new school so that they can compete against the religious schools.
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In the end, moving students around would mean moving around the same teachers you don't like now - no one else to teach them.
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It’s not about what I like its about the parents want for thir children.
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Vouchers are a simplistic solution for simple minds.
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Grow up.
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03-31-2008, 04:12 PM
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Overfed:
I happened to be in a teacher meeting when I was told that the Board of Education was trying to pass a law to make the bathrooms in public schools "co-ed
Boards of Education don't pass laws. You are a clumsy liar. This is an old, righty horror story with almost no basis in reality.
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But the administration, in a number of places, has the authority to make policy. It is just a matter of getting the janitors to change the signs.
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03-31-2008, 04:13 PM
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Those who are anti voucher are racist. African Americans would benefit the most by allowing parents to get their children out of failing schools and into schools they believe would best educate their children. Denying them the use of vouchers condemns African American children to remain in schools that can't even teach beyond the 3rd grade level while more affuent whites and asians are able to send their children to private schools.
When are you going to learn liberals are not about helping anyone but all about keeping groups in bondage for their own benefit. Perhaps some simple minded starry eyed camp followers believe in all the bullshit spread by the liberal elite but these people are too smart to not understand just where their policies are taking society
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