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Originally Posted by coyote
Actually school vouchers are a more 20th century concept. The school system you support is a product of 19th century ideas.
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19th century
socialist ideas, at that.
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Originally Posted by satv365
In a perfect world, there would be no such thing as a Government School.
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I disagree...we just need to let the Government with the ability to regulate education be the one who actually does it. Local Government.
How hard would it be for One Person to change a problem in the Federal Government? All but impossible. How hard would it be for One Person to change a problem in their City Government? Not terribly hard...I've done it twice over lesser problems than the future of my child.
If my education dollars were being spent SOLELY in my community, I'd have no problems with it. If my Schools were regulated SOLELY by the needs and wants and advice of the ACTUAL parents whose children are in that school system, I'd have no problem with it.
Not ONE swinging dick (or tit) in Congress has EVER had a child or grandchild or niece or nephew in the Public School System where I live. EVERY Seat on my City Council has a family member in the Public School System. Which body do you think is more capable of passing rules, standards, and regulations that best reflect what their constituents want? It's a no-brainer.
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Originally Posted by satv365
All schools would be private institutions and the Government would only provide vouchers and tuition for poor and the middle class, making rich families pay for their own education.
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Somehow the rich should be fully responsible for their own children AND partially responsible for everyone else's, yet the middle-class and poor aren't even fully resaponsible for their OWN?
What do you base that on? Socialism? The same ideas that brought us our Public EduFactories in the first place?
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Originally Posted by bodecea
Who would provide standardization and quality control of the education our American children are getting?
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In my version, the people whose children attend the schools would set the standards by voicing their opinions, needs, ideas to their City/County Government.
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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
Your tax dollars.
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Tax dollars paid to who? Federal Government, who has no authority to collect taxes for education? State Government, who has the authority, but not the connection to each community needed to assess specific needs?
Tax dollars can't make ANY real contribution to education. We've squandered hundreds of billions, if not trillions, on EduFactories, and still they get worse and worse.
Whether you throw tax dollars at the "No Child Left Behind" propaganda, or the School Vouchers, or just literally throw it at the teachers themselves, money won't solve shit.
Accountability will. And you can't hold one body of government accountable for hundreds of millions of UNIQUE, INDIVIDUAL children. The only way to put quality into education is to give parents, who know their children best, as much voice as possible. And nowhere does a parent have as much voice as they do in their own community.
Public EduFactory Wardens have preached forever that the more parents get involved, the more the child benefits...time for them to put their money where their mouth is. Oh, wait - they can't, because the Federal Government has their hands tied, and their loyalty is to their Union, not their Students. In addition, most school districts are incorporated, and are run by pencil-jockeys who see nothing but numbers.
So, we combine Big Government, the #1 Nightmare in America, with Corporations, the #2 Nightmare in America, and Unions, the #3 Nightmare in America...stir 'em all together to create one HUGE ravenous politico-capitalist-socilaist Beast, and then...and then...give our children to them.
Oh yeah...and then...we wonder why our children have problems with sex, drugs, violence, illiteracy, you name it. It seems as if no matter how much money you give the politicians, corporations, and unions, it's like...they're not honest. Weird...let's throw MORE money at them. That's got to work if we try it several thousand times.
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Originally Posted by Bonzo's Costar
Parochial schools are less, and I understand that fundis feel the need for gov't help, but I'm against gov't sponsorship of religion. If you want a theocracy, move to Iran.
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If the Government is giving money to people, that means it came from the People. The People still enjoy Freedom of Religion, last time I checked, so the People have the right to spend THEIR OWN money at ANY school that meets the educational guidelines required by law, regardless of what religion may ALSO be taught there.
How does being religious, and choosing a religious school, change the subjects that are required by law? 2+2=4 whether you believe in God or not. I've never seen an SAT score that was asterisked with a comment that said "Did well, but believes Jesus died for his sins".
As long as your precious Gov't standards are being met, what does it matter to you if the school teaches a specific religion in addition?
Do you think people on welfare should have to sign an affidavit saying they're atheists before you'll let your tax dollars go to them? Should Veteran's only receive disability pay if their dog tags say "NO PREF"? Those are your tax dollars going to religious people, too.