Discipline is schools

oceanbreeze · #71 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

no I do have children of my own- but I spent a year in a pre-school working one on one with students, I've babysat (including a two month span where I watched two kids ten hours a day, five days a week), and I tend to spend a lot of my time with kids.

I'm not relying on TV to teach me. but art relfects the culture. many people keep making statements about the 'good old days' and 'back then'.
thus I used a popular show from 'back then' to illustrait my point,

I don't approve of humiliating children.

It's not humiliating, it's called making children resposible for their own behavior!

36shadow · #72 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

I'm pretty sure my daughter's friend's mom won it already!

She got her cell phone turned off permanently, grounded from the home phone and social functions for a month, and they're selling her $500 lap top on ebay to pay for a $600 phone bill.

Gee I guess that would be harsh in the eyes of wolf. Maybe she was spanked that is why she acts that way.

wolf_22 · #73 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 36shadow

Gee I guess that would be harsh in the eyes of wolf. Maybe she was spanked that is why she acts that way.

actually its not. grounding and revocing of privledges is not wrong.

and if you want your child to take responcibilty, have them verbally apoligize to those who they have been rude to. not stand outside and be humilated.
its not good for their mental health. and it's harder to go up to someone you disrespected and ask for their forgiveness.

oceanbreeze · #74 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

actually its not. grounding and revocing of privledges is not wrong.

and if you want your child to take responcibilty, have them verbally apoligize to those who they have been rude to. not stand outside and be humilated.
its not good for their mental health. and it's harder to go up to someone you disrespected and ask for their forgiveness.

SPend some quality time with a typical spoiled American child and get back to me. Forgiveness? Most US children don't even know what that means.

rob · #75 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

actually its not. grounding and revocing of privledges is not wrong.

and if you want your child to take responcibilty, have them verbally apoligize to those who they have been rude to. not stand outside and be humilated.
its not good for their mental health. and it's harder to go up to someone you disrespected and ask for their forgiveness.

I think that there is a place for humilating a child for bad behavior. The problem is that too many people worry about a childs pysche which is more durable than we give it credit for. I have a great example for you, I have 4 grand daughters that live close to me and when they are at their home they sometimes act like wild animals but when they visit me in my home they are very respectful and follow the rules that are set down for my home. They understand this and agree to follow my rules or they get their but busted and given a time out.

oceanbreeze · #76 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rob

I think that there is a place for humilating a child for bad behavior. The problem is that too many people worry about a childs pysche which is more durable than we give it credit for. I have a great example for you, I have 4 grand daughters that live close to me and when they are at their home they sometimes act like wild animals but when they visit me in my home they are very respectful and follow the rules that are set down for my home. They understand this and agree to follow my rules or they get their but busted and given a time out.

AMEN TO THAT ROB!!!

36shadows; kudos to you for overcoming it.

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #77 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 10:26 PM

If children aren’t taught at home to respect other adults such as teachers, counselors, principals, yes lunch ladies too, coaches, etc….there will be no effective disciplinary repercussions for schools to hand out

Once children loose respect for something or someone or feel they are above them, you can pretty much hang it up. Especially if the parents talk trash about these people openly in front of their children. They loose respect & act as their parents do. I see it in literally dozens of parents especially in organized sports.

I can’t tell you how many times we have left a ball game or the like & had nothing good to say about some dumb a** coach, ump or parent, but we held it in during the car rides home. When we were finally behind closed doors. away from the kids, we would bust like hot air balloons!!!! But, never in front of them.

So bottom line, without parental discipline, there can be no effective discipline in schools. Children will always feel they are above authority.

Van der Sloot ring a bell???

36shadow · #78 (**permalink**) 02-09-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

actually its not. grounding and revocing of privledges is not wrong.

and if you want your child to take responcibilty, have them verbally apoligize to those who they have been rude to. not stand outside and be humilated.
its not good for their mental health. and it's harder to go up to someone you disrespected and ask for their forgiveness.

NO disrespect wolf but I'm DAMN TIERED of this liberal feely feely bullshit of what libs think is good for a childs mental health. The continued weakining of our children caused only by fruit cakes in this country is part of the problem. Kids have long endured punishment like this that teaches strong lasting lessons and they turn out just fine and have strong character etc. etc.. Everything to libs that is not caudle the damn kids to death and over protect because the parent is so passive and spineless. A kids mental health is in danger only because FRUIT CAKES OUT THERE ARE TELLING THEM THAT THINGS LIKE THIS DO SO AND THE THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM COUNCELING OVER DUMN ASS SHIT LIKE THIS. This kid will not give this thing two thoughts a week after that day except for the fact that he does not want to do it again. No wonder this society is hyper sensative to words that are in the end ONLY WORDS grow up move past it and concern yourself with the imprtant things in life and the community. See the problem is it gets out there and you have freaks that just not in there opion it is wrong they want to make it illegal for the mom to do this. You know what IT IS HER DAMN BUISNESS HOW SHE CORRECTS HER CHILD AS LONG AS IT IS NOT ABUSE. So then the fruits come up with the excuse that this is mental abuse MY ASS. GGGGGGGGgggggoooooooood this ingnorance closed minded fanaticalism just kicks my assssssssssssss PROVE TO ME WHERE THIS HAS EVER MENTALY FUCKED UP A KID BECAUSE IN THE PAST MANY MANY PARENTS HAVE DONE THINGS LIKE THIS AND IT DID NOT. SHOW ME

wolf_22 · #79 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 01:57 AM

I'm okay with people disagreeing with me.
but as its been said on here in so many words- once a parent drops the ball and doesn't teach their child things like respect, they will not learn it.

I have a background in early education, child development, and psyc. I have also spent a lot of my freetime with children. this is where my ideas and opinions stem from.

and yes many people have been raised very differently from what is the most desirble and medically praised forms of parenting and turned out fine- each person is unique.
when I post about mental health I don't post about those who could experience spanking and humiliation without any issues, I post about the ones who will have those issues. and post about the fact that you never what a person's mind can take until you put pressure on it and if they can't handle that pressure there is no undoing that damage.

as what me and one of my instuctors discussed- you'll never be able to parent by the books, with perfect dilegence to the recommended practices but you should try. there is no perfection in anything, least of all parenting, but that doesn't mean you say 'this won't work' and not try it at all.

36shadow · #80 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

I'm okay with people disagreeing with me.
but as its been said on here in so many words- once a parent drops the ball and doesn't teach their child things like respect, they will not learn it.

I have a background in early education, child development, and psyc. I have also spent a lot of my freetime with children. this is where my ideas and opinions stem from.

and yes many people have been raised very differently from what is the most desirble and medically praised forms of parenting and turned out fine- each person is unique.
when I post about mental health I don't post about those who could experience spanking and humiliation without any issues, I post about the ones who will have those issues. and post about the fact that you never what a person's mind can take until you put pressure on it and if they can't handle that pressure there is no undoing that damage.

So would it not be more productive to put a little preasure on them to teach them as a child then if they short circuit then you can get them help. Rather than caudle them there whole childhood then they go out on there own where you can bet they will get much worse hell abusive some people can be then they have no defense and hell might even short circuit and do harm to others or themselves. My question is how is it for generations child rearing did not requier all the psych evaluation and so called experteeze yet many more turned out ok than now. I see more screwed up kids as does my parents and well just about anybody I talk too than in the past. I don't know what state you are in but when I was in california I saw just a train reck with most kids with this lib passive lets reason and make deals with your kids. But I tell you come to Baton rouge or other southern states or even rural ohio and see happy well adjusted respectful kids that have been raised with stern but even hands and if that ment a spanking from time to time then it happend.