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02-08-2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by J04miller
Yahoo!
Speaking of the subject.........look what one mother did in response to her son's rudeness to a teacher.
I say.......kudos to the mom.
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A few years ago a mother did this to her child in Palatka Florida and was brought up on charges of child abuse. Personally, I think anyone who does not do something like this is guilty of child abuse. If this child remembers this he will never be rude to his teachers again and will be far more successful in life
I say give this mother a medal
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02-08-2008, 02:09 PM
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Yahoo!
Speaking of the subject.........look what one mother did in response to her son's rudeness to a teacher.
I say.......kudos to the mom.
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That was sweet!!! "Make Good Choices" a woman after my own heart... 
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02-08-2008, 02:13 PM
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That was sweet!!! "Make Good Choices" a woman after my own heart... 
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You do realize that most parents would rather walk across a room of broken glass vs. being the "mean mom" like this lady. She is a brave soul, and I do believe she wants what is best for her child.
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02-08-2008, 02:20 PM
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 I got the "mean mom" award for 2007 
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02-08-2008, 02:22 PM
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You do realize that most parents would rather walk across a room of broken glass vs. being the "mean mom" like this lady. She is a brave soul, and I do believe she wants what is best for her child.
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Not me J04, I like Ocean am a multi platinum award winner!!!
She is the Man!!!!
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02-08-2008, 02:23 PM
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 I got the "mean mom" award for 2007 
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I plan to kick your ass in '08!!!! 
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02-08-2008, 02:34 PM
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I plan to kick your ass in '08!!!! 
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I'm pretty sure my daughter's friend's mom won it already!
She got her cell phone turned off permanently, grounded from the home phone and social functions for a month, and they're selling her $500 lap top on ebay to pay for a $600 phone bill. 
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02-08-2008, 02:48 PM
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See in my eyes this is the problem first off with the way the news put it out there. They asked what we thought, hell it don't matter what we think and what ever we think we can keep it to ourselves. It is that womens child and what ever she does or see's fit as long as it is not abuse is her damn buisness and her damn right. People like graybeard I have a great deal of respect for I hope I am as fortunate with my one daughter. But I also know that as a child my sister and I suffered abuse real abuse at the hand of my mother and I will never go there. We were saved from her and were mostly raised by my dad who had a firm hand but never ever abused us trust me I know the difference. But now that we are grown up me and my sister have taken different paths, she has four kids she never touched one of them (ie spanking) at all she spent a great amount of time talking and time out and go to your room kind of things. Not one of them turned out worth a hill of beans so far. I have waited till later in life to have a child to make sure I have as a person a hold on reality of the possability of replicating the actions of my mother. I have taken classes and some therapy when I was younger to help me understand this concept of a child abused will also abuse because I realy wanted children but did not want them to go through what we did especialy at my hand. I learned for myself that a lot of psychology is bs but it does teach you to look deep within and abserve basic human nature. I think what it comes down to is if you are lucky enough that you never have to spank you child then great and that dicipline is like medication you don't start off with the strongest when it is not needed. I am all for time out and go to your room keeping in mind it is not an over night fix it is consistancy and repetitiveness and must be given a chance. My thing on spanking is that if the other lesser methods do not work then nothing is wrong with a spanking (not a beating) and it serves a prupose. I have developed my own method and beliefs and have used it with other kids I have worked with before I have ever had my own daughter and it has amazing results I know it is not the only way but I just don't see spanking as abuse even after what I went through as a kid. There is a difference. One of my nephews is a good example I was asked for help by my sister in law because my brother past away and the boy was out of control (he never new his dad to young) but I tried everything and spent a lot of time with him but time out and especialy going to his room had no affect. One time I told him to go to his room and he said cool I get to play. So I went to a spanking now granted this kid got my temp up so before he got a whoopen I would tell him to go to the bathroom and wait, I would take the time to calm down and he had time to anticipate the whoopen that was comming wich was way worse than the actual whoopen. Now when I would go in I would first talk to him ask him if he new what he had done wrong. This to me is a very important part because my goal is to teach him. In short after he understood what he did and acknowledged it was wrong then he would get his whoopen. I have a hard and fast rule, never more than three whats and only on the butt. With him I went one step further and that was he had to bend over I was not going to fight him or hold him over my knee he was the one that decided to not listen and do something he knew he would get in trouble for so he was going to be resoponsable and take his punishment like a man. Just as important I spent time with him play silly games he needed to know that I was not just some tyrannt and that I cared and it was real not just going through the motions. He got older and I never had to put a hand to him he would either come to his mom or me(he would call me on the phone ) see I also believe like in his case if comes to me and tells me he did something wrong before I even know about it and he explains and it is aparent that he did not intend to it just happened before he even thought. The old things got out of control next thing I know this happened. At a point like that I do not believe in spanking it serves no purpose at all. I talk to him and then send him to his room for a while and that is not so much to punish him rather to give him time to think let it set in. Then talk about it again so next time he does not make the same mistake and he learns to think before he leaps. I still in all of this do not understand those that say spanking is abuse and it is never ok to give a child a whoopen. If you care about your child you will do anything short of abuse to ensure they learn how to be a thoughtfull, respectfull, caring human being.
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02-08-2008, 02:54 PM
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You can tell this mom loves her son and only wants the best for him. I mean look all she is doing is standing there for who knows how long, now tell me there are not other things she rather be doing or needs to get done. But unlike most parents these days she is putting her son first and what she think is best for him to teach him a valuable lesson. She should be applauded not questioned or put to a pole.
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02-08-2008, 08:10 PM
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no I do have children of my own- but I spent a year in a pre-school working one on one with students, I've babysat (including a two month span where I watched two kids ten hours a day, five days a week), and I tend to spend a lot of my time with kids.
I'm not relying on TV to teach me. but art relfects the culture. many people keep making statements about the 'good old days' and 'back then'.
thus I used a popular show from 'back then' to illustrait my point,
I don't approve of humiliating children.
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