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02-06-2008, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wolf_22
you do not have to hit your kids to teach them
grounding works, time-out works, revoking privledges works.
naturally if you already started to hit your kids, they probably won't respond well to other forms of discipline
its true that all kids respond differently. some need to be talked to more, some need to be grounded longer. some kids you can trust and some you can't.
there are mothers who left their 15yr stay out till 9 but their 13 year old out till 10, because the 13 year old behaves better and will be more responcible.
spanking is not discipline. its punishment.
the issue is consistancy and teaching. if you are inconsistant your children will never behave. and if you don't teach them right from wrong- they will simply learn to hide their misdeeds from you.
I wasn't hit. I was disciplined. I was taught right from wrong. I never stole, never lied, never was arrested, no drugs, and good grades and behavior at school.
I didn't behave in order to avoid getting in trouble- or like kids who are spanked, I wasn't conditioned to fear pain and adjust my actions to avoid it.
I did the right thing, because it was the right thing to do.
my friends and cousins who were spanked learned to hide what ever wrong they did. they didn't care about misbehaving and what their actions did to others- they cared about not getting hit.
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Good post Wolf....
I never stole, I had great grades in school, but I'm gonna leave the rest of your list alone.... 
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02-06-2008, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
I can relate to that, also from a parental point of view. I would tell my kids, I am your father and fathers know everything. One of my kids skipped school one day and called me pretending they were using the phone from school. I called her right back since the number popped up on my cell phone but got no answer. Later that day a friend told me that they had seen my VW Beetle at a service station. I went to the service station and sure enough the phone number on the pay phone was where she had placed the call. When we both got home I told her I knew she had called me from the pay phone because I was the father and I knew everything. I never had any trouble from that child anymore 
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You Sneaky daddy….
It's just too easy to stay ahead of the game, if a parent really gives a durn.
It must start at home though & parents should support the teachers as much as possible. Are all teachers created equal? No, but I just tell mine to do their best, mind their manners, get through it & that it's good experience for the real world.
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02-07-2008, 09:20 AM
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You Sneaky daddy….
It's just too easy to stay ahead of the game, if a parent really gives a durn.
It must start at home though & parents should support the teachers as much as possible. Are all teachers created equal? No, but I just tell mine to do their best, mind their manners, get through it & that it's good experience for the real world.
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I know there are some teachers who for what ever reason take a disliking to your child. You can usually spot those but until you do I have always taken the position of giving them the benefit of the doubt. If a child acts up in one class then chances are there will be a pattern in other areas as well. If one teacher and only one teacher is constantly punishing your child, well its time for a Parent Teacher meeting to find out what is really going on. However, its like the police telling you to stop even though you have not done anything. You stop and straighten out the problem.
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02-07-2008, 07:04 PM
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In Oklahoma they passed a law last year saying that a parent can spank a child. That is the parents job not the schools but at the same time I had no problem with the school paddling my child and then calling to inform me what had happened. If the parent cares and reinforces the punishment normaly it doesn't need to be repeated.
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02-07-2008, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rob
In Oklahoma they passed a law last year saying that a parent can spank a child. That is the parents job not the schools but at the same time I had no problem with the school paddling my child and then calling to inform me what had happened. If the parent cares and reinforces the punishment normaly it doesn't need to be repeated.
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In grade school, our principal had a paddle. Man, when I think back on that it seems like a lifetime ago. You can't even look cross-eyed at the little  now.
I don't think schools should have the right to spank, but certainly parents should. It is a tool I use very infrequently, but when it is needed I use it. My daughter will be 7, and she maybe has been spanked 5 times. I rely on it when all other messages are lost on her.
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02-07-2008, 09:08 PM
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So how many on here got whippens when they were kids. Just trying to point something out to wolf. Because from the mid 80's back parents diciplined there kids and we all turned out ok and respectful of elders and techers etc. when we were kids why because our parents demanded it, society demanded it. Now with all the reasoning with kids well we see where that has gotten us.
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02-08-2008, 01:20 AM
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So how many on here got whippens when they were kids. Just trying to point something out to wolf. Because from the mid 80's back parents diciplined there kids and we all turned out ok and respectful of elders and techers etc. when we were kids why because our parents demanded it, society demanded it. Now with all the reasoning with kids well we see where that has gotten us.
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some people are okay. and some aren't. I've met ones who are not.
now that we know it can have negative effects we shouldn't do it.
we used to do a lot of things because at the time we didn't know the consequences and many people turned out fine (naturally some didn't).
its true we don't demand people be respectful. we don't teach empathy.
and many parents just hit their kids and walk away. never explaining what they did wrong.
as I said any book or tv show or movie with good kids who are spanked always has the parents explaining right and wrong- not just slapping and leaving.
even similair stories where their isn't spanking (think of the 60-70s TV shows), all the parents sit down for heart to hearts where they teach* their children right from wrong.
I never saw Mike Brady yell at his kids, send them to their rooms, and not talk to them about what they did wrong.
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02-08-2008, 08:33 AM
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My buddies kid is huge. He was so big not fat just large that people mistook him for ebing 6 months older then he was. Okay now this kid spend all day at home siting in front of TV watching Toy story cause ti shut him up. and nicklodean. Now this kind hand tever been hit. In fact he had never even SEEN a act of violance anywhere. One day the kid jacks the other kid with a big tonka truck to the face. I mean fucked that kid up bad. 3 yers old. The kid that took the shot was bleeding in the mouth and was swollen and bruised on both sides cause the blow sandbagged the kid and he dropped to the floor instantly. It was like Modget WWF man. I NEVEr seen a kid that size tdo that kind of damge. Big old hunk a metal toy truck..BAM. The kid is an absolute monster. I have no doubt he will be the local bully that everybdoy wants to strangle.
My buddies odler kid about 14 now. Is a the biggest pussy ass fag I ever met. Again never hit by my buddy. The kid has watched ciolent on TV seen otehr kids fight and plays wargames all the time. The kid is femine cowardly and probbly truly gay.
You dicipline your kid fine. You beat your kid you goto jail. BUt these people talking this bullshit about spanking ruining kids.... you dont know what your talking about. And I know you dont have kids.
I came to this cpoutnry orginaly to goto a military school. You want to talk whooping....shit. Some VP of apple when to that school. Two US presidents did. I belive Jim Lovel teh astronaut did as well. They all got not just whopopings. They got flat out asskickings back in the day at that school. They all are sucessful well adjusted Men.
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02-08-2008, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by wolf_22
some people are okay. and some aren't. I've met ones who are not.
now that we know it can have negative effects we shouldn't do it.
we used to do a lot of things because at the time we didn't know the consequences and many people turned out fine (naturally some didn't).
its true we don't demand people be respectful. we don't teach empathy.
and many parents just hit their kids and walk away. never explaining what they did wrong.
as I said any book or tv show or movie with good kids who are spanked always has the parents explaining right and wrong- not just slapping and leaving.
even similair stories where their isn't spanking (think of the 60-70s TV shows), all the parents sit down for heart to hearts where they teach* their children right from wrong.
I never saw Mike Brady yell at his kids, send them to their rooms, and not talk to them about what they did wrong.
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Are you a parent? If so, pls. don't use t.v. shows to guide you in the journey!
Hey, we do agree on something. A spanking should be accompanied by an explanation. Last year when my daughter started kindergarten, she was acting a bit snotty. I kept talking to her about it and finally after a few months into school she wasn't "computing" the message. One night at dinner she was acting like a lunatic at the table. I pulled her chair out and smacked her butt. I then sent her to MY room (not her fun room). After that I sat down and cried. Then my husband told me I did the right thing. It was 2 months in the making.........
Parenting is hard. Not for the faint of heart.
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02-08-2008, 09:47 AM
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My daughters (12 and 16) and I are very close. Their mother took off about 8 years ago and in many ways that was a blessing. There is no one for them to play against me; I am the ultimate authority so to speak. Luckily I have rarely had to discipline my kids. I have never spanked them and when I do discipline them it’s usually a time out type of thing.
They learned very early the difference between right and wrong, not by what I told them as much as the example set by their mother. She was/is a living example of what NOT to do in life, an example of the ramifications of poor choices and bad behavior.
I have always been there for them, I have put off having any long term relationships with the ladies I know because I don’t want them to feel they have to compete for my time or attention. I don’t consider it in any way a sacrifice.
I was 37 when I got married and had a lot of “fun” prior to getting married and there will be plenty of time for more fun after my children move on.
My focus now is raising my children, there are enough challenges being a single parent with out interjecting another personality into the fray.
If I have learned anything from my experiences, it’s that open and honest lines of communication are a must. If those lines are cut, you lose your children.
I go to every dance and orchestra recital, I am totally involved in their lives, but allow them their freedom to grow on their own.
Maybe it’s about trust…they trust that I’ll always be there and I trust they will make good decisions in life.
I couldn’t ask for any better-behaved children…I am truly lucky.
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