Originally Posted by CrankyYankee

Sometimes...that is true in some occasions...but I think not most.
Give me a lick upside the head and I'll return it....especially when I was younger....

see the same in my son

Originally Posted by J04miller

I taught 4 years in elementary school. Over half of our students received free or reduced lunch which is a fairly good indicator that it was a "poor school". Behavior problems were the norm there. I had several students with one or two parents in jail, and a few had strippers for moms. Some of the homes did not have a telephone hooked up so I had to make home visits to convey problems happening at school. I came across filthy homes, homes with drunk people, homes with dad sleeping on the couch all day, etc.

While teaching 4th grade, I was told by a mother that I was "badgering" her child to learn the multiplication facts. I gave the students ample time, and if they were not mastered by a certain date, we spent recess time going over them. I was doing the work that should have been done at home (flashcards, practice). Geez, even my parents (both high school dropouts) got me some damn flashcards and didn't act like it was a big deal to do so.

I had a boy in 5th grade that threatened to kill us all. His father was a sleezy lawyer in town that was known as the "go to guy" when you get arrested for drunk driving. When we called him in, he explained to us that little Dylan couldn't possibly be expected to meet the public school system standards of behavior when he was exposed to talk of criminal cases each night at the dinner table. In other words, his kid was street wise, and what we were teaching was for less advanced/naive children.

When I got pregnant with my first child, I quit teaching. Now for the past 5 years, I've taught ESL classes to adults at night.

I don't forsee ever teaching children again. Unfortunately, the parents do not support the teachers any more. Kids are allowed to do whatever they want, and the parents will back them up most of the time. The kids know this. There is very little respect from these children or parents.

As for instances where kids need restraint..........wow. I had these situations too. Luckily (I guess) we had an entire ED (emotionally disturbed) dept. right in our building. I'd call them up and they'd come to my room and remove the child. The next day, the kid would be back again to disturb the others just like before. It took a whole shit load of documentation to get the kid removed. In the meantime, I'm supposed to meet all of these state and federal standards within this zoo like environment.

Originally Posted by NOYB

I hate kids they are vile and disgusting snot bombs. Filled with dieases and secreting disgusting subsrances from there orfices. They should be taught in walled of camps and not let into society untill they are 21 Years old. I had some little fucker fire a 12 oz bottle rocket at my roof. Thats the big ones with the plastic fins. I dint call the pigs or his momma. Noo He came out the next day to do it again. I got a gross of blackat bottle rockets and fired them at the little fucker. 4th of July MLRS counterbattery style.

Thats dicipine. Showing the prick the true consequnces of actions. Mr Wilson? Hes a pussy. My yard is a roch motel. YOu can come in but your little ass might not come out.

Public school teachers dont need a raise in pay. They need a psych exam to figure out why put up with Satanic midgets for a living.

Originally Posted by NOYB

Public school teachers dont need a raise in pay. They need a psych exam to figure out why put up with Satanic midgets for a living.

Originally Posted by 36shadow

No you group the gang bangers and I don't care about schools together and do like they did in Alabama when I was a kid. They had boys and girl camps but don't let the name fool you it was not a camp. It was a bording kind of like juvy hall place. And when you went in you didn't get out until you were 18 and they could keep you until you were 21 if they wanted to. You were forced to do school work you had to also work and grow some of the camp food etc. etc.. Parents need to take their balls back and responsabiltiy and relize it is their job to raise the kids and lay down some dicipline and if time out don't work then take a switch and make them behave.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

about spanking:
I'm not using just my opinion. I'm using studies and research. spanking isn't always as effective as discipline. spanking can also lead to violence in children- they think all they have to do is hit to get what they want or that the bigger person gets to hurt and bully the smaller one.
time-outs, groundings, and other things beside spanking work just as well.
there is no such thing as the good old days-there was crime since the dawn of time. the reason things are perhaps worse now is because parents don't spend enough time explaining things to their kids. -even in the old movies where kids were hit they were told what they did wrong, why it was wrong, and taught to empathize.
here are a few links:
The Spanking Debate - Â* MSN Lifestyle - Family & Parenting
Hitting people is wrong - and children are people too (children)
(both of these sites have similair articles)




I don't support boot camps. too often the kids there are abused. I don't respect any parent that hand their kids over to places like that.
especially like that woman who was crying after her son died at one of them- she put him there in the first place. why should she cry about it after the fact?

I think we have a better chance of reforming gang members if we keep them with their family and try to introduce them to better friends- like the ones don't beat you up before you are allowed to hang out with them or who won't shot you if you don't want to hang out any more

Originally Posted by 36shadow

Look one of the biggest problems is the liberal peaches and cream aproach to life. How many gang bangers abuse other kids, yada yada yada. All that needs to be done is good oversight on these facilities. There has to be a resource to parents for kids that do not obey and this rationalizing aproach well you see were that liberal crap has got us. The fact is there is no perfect way but the old way is far superior to the present that is a fact do to the outcome. Children curse, have no respect for their parents , other kids or other people and other adults. Now one could argue that this existed under the old way but let me tell you no where the scale it exist today. You are talking the difference between night and day. This was all brought about in an effort to protect those kids from parents that went to far and abused there kids and that was a good thing but like most things libs and the govt. get a hold of they go way over board. Cause more harm than good on a national scale, it has affected our schools, economy and family life to a destructive point.