See now this is the kind of stuff that radical liberal idiology brings about in my book. All of this reason will children and send them to time out,oh I don't want to be the bad guy. My wife is about 7 years younger than me and when I was talking to her about correcting our 15 month old daughter I JUST ABOUT SHIT MY PANTS WHEN SHE UTTERED THOSE WORDS. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE BAD GUY!????????? I can not for the life of me figure out how correcting your child, teching them right from wrong by having a gentle heart but a firm hand makes you the bad guy. Kids only problem these days is all this fringen liberal crap infecting our society and coroding it at the core. Telling kids they have rights what kind of crap is that, adults and the authorities have an obligation to protect kids from abuse when parents don't or do. But dicipline and a good old fashion whoopen is not abuse. The only right my daughter has is to do what she is told it is not her job to worry about what is best for her that is her mom and I's job. I have turned quite a few kids behavior around some in my own extended family and people are amazed. I don't see why it is no great secret I only use simple basics that were used by most parents and on me for decades before all this liberal crap. I say something one time then I act EVERY TIME, I allow for mistakes because everyone is human, I show as much caring and compasion as I do dicipline (one with out the other is useless) I don't ask I tell them what to do and after they do it if they want to know why then I explain. Anything other than ok, yes sir, or alright etc. when told to do something or not to do something is talking back and is diciplined IMEDIATELY. At the same time when they need me for something or look like they need a hug or a good laugh or anything like that I drop what ever I'm doing RIGHT THEN and they get that attention. I don't need to setttt asidde quuuuality timeeeeeeee (what a joke). Every second of every day they are around is quality time and should not be penciled in. you see the pattern and many of you out there that grew up in the 80's and back know what I'm talking about. I have no more than taped my daughters hands and poped her diaper (because it makes a noise that sounds like it hurts but does not) she don't even feel anything but for now it works so hey great for me. I mean hey she is only 15 months old I'm a little strict not ruthless. My wife and in-laws think I'm being mean to her because I don't let anything slide when she is bad etc. but hey like I have pointed out to them. She runs them over and throws fits with them and don't listen to a DAMN THING THEY SAY. But she can be throwing a fits because they did not give her what she wanted and will not stop. I just walk into the room as soon as she sees me she stops and when I tell her to do something she does it. When she falls and hurts herself and everyone is reaching for her she pushes her way through until she gets to her dad (me) she don't stop crying till I kiss her boo boo and tell her it's ok. It is balance and kids are not given that anymore they are not taught respect at home or at school without respect their is no love and with out love their is no respect. I've had students in my class that where the acting out needed to be hancuffed at school type. Hell one paticular mom brought me her 15 year old son woooooooo attitude. He was big for his age and man what a mouth and attitude. I have a martial arts class and not of American bs type. She asked if I could help I said can you sign a lawyer written waver I have, she said yes so I said you bet. It took about a week and he ended up with some bruises and some swelling and I showed up at his house at night. Call him out in the yard when I herd he had done something at school that day. But all in all he learned to be a decent human being. No medication no councleing just good old fashion you give respect to get it you show caring and people will care back.

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there is no benefit in hitting children. its counter productive.

frankly even in the case presented, the child was dealt with and there is no issue. we should worry and discuss schools with out of control students.

I really think highschools should seperate the gang bangers and kids who don't want to be there from those who don't.
if they really are proud of their gang, they will admit it.- throw them in a seperte class room.
if they really don't care about school, they will admit it- put them in their own class until they are old enough to drop out.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get these kids to learn and graduate (and get out of their gangs) but these kids hurt those who really want to learn and graduate.

Not every older kid needs a good lick upside the head but the FACT not your opinion is sometimes thats what it takes and it works. See I take it that all you see it as is hitting them but there is much more behind it. You have to gain the kids respect and let him relize your not going to get out of this. I'm hear and we are going to work through this the easy way or the hard way(ie someone cares enough to stick to it) I will not give you the easy way out by giving up on you or just throwing you aside. You also have to practice what you preach and be willing to do what ever it takes to back it up(he or she needs to look up to you). No benafit in hitting a child well decades of responsable,respected assets to societ that were whipped as children would prove that statement FACTUALY WRONG. From the 80's back children in millions and millions of households got whiped and in shool got the paddle for bad behavior. Now we did not need COPS IN SCHOOLS OR IN STORES. We did not have the drop out rates we have now nor did we have a society full of selfserving ,rude, perverted,cheating,etc. etc. etc. people. Why because kids were raised to in large to be honest,respectful to elders,caring,and thoughtfull of others. That all came at the end of a whoopen many time darlin that is a fact. So your theory does not trump fact.

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No you group the gang bangers and I don't care about schools together and do like they did in Alabama when I was a kid. They had boys and girl camps but don't let the name fool you it was not a camp. It was a bording kind of like juvy hall place. And when you went in you didn't get out until you were 18 and they could keep you until you were 21 if they wanted to. You were forced to do school work you had to also work and grow some of the camp food etc. etc.. Parents need to take their balls back and responsabiltiy and relize it is their job to raise the kids and lay down some dicipline and if time out don't work then take a switch and make them behave.

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We kind of have something like this, they are called Alternative Schools. Some big cities have these facilities, while others have a temporary site set up on campus or some where close. Usually it takes a few offenses to land there & even then they carry their behavior with them.

You can’t separate them now as this could be considered profiling and currently in public school we educate on a level playing field. so acedemic profiling is out.
It’s unfortunate for the majority of the students, mine included. I have teenagers & they tell completely different storied than I told, my parents.

Shadow, parents are too sensitive to “harsh” punishment these days. Their children can do no wrong & they will not take responsibility for them.


Every time that I have ever been called to the school (my son J) I would turn & say “is there anything that you’d like to add?“, he of course would say “No!”. I of course heard a completely different story & they had something more to add & of course he paid the piper. But it only took that first time to get burned, hence why I started giving him a chance before confronting a teacher..

Children know how to work their parents over….. they are best at this….

Ya I have seen a lot of that these days and just don't get it. I have a niece who has stole credit cards etc. from my mom and she wonders why her grandchild still does these bad things to her. That realy whips my ass I tell my mom because no one punishes her for her actions and has not done so since she was a child. My mom did not report her to the cops when she stole and charges 7000 dollars on her platnum card. I just don't get it if we had done that as kids she would have worn us out with a hickory branch and made us work in the berry fields or what ever to pay it back. My daughter will know better I grant you that she will learn as we did it matters not right is right and wrong is wrong no matter if she is my daughter.

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Good for you Shadow ... Your mom should understand that by doing nothing she only hurts her.

You can teach children right from wrong & although you know they know the difference they will sometimes still make bad choices. For the most part children will err (it‘s a right of passage), but parents resolve must be consistent & hold them to rules & expectations & do this all throughout their youth & into adulthood.

I can’t tell you how many times I tell my children to “make good choices”. If you think we’ll get mad, then we probably will. Use your head!!!

Sometimes...that is true in some occasions...but I think not most.
Give me a lick upside the head and I'll return it....especially when I was younger....

see the same in my son

And you seem to live in La-La Land. I disagree with saying that nothing can be done about the first one. You give the kid three warnings. Then, after the third time of being a little biatch, you tie him down with chains and handcuffs, so he looks like the ghost in A Christmas Carol. Then you make the little fucker be like a dead man walking, embarrasing him in front of whole school as he goes pee-pee in his pants-pants. After he stains his Jordans, then laugh at him have the other kids poke him with sticks. When the parents come to complain, bitch slap both of them. Harsh....yes....yet, I can guarantee you that the little returd won't act out again.

And seriously, why don't you give the benefit to the teachers and principals?

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