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01-08-2008, 02:47 PM
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Birth leave sought for girls in high school
Birth leave sought for girls
Soon-to-be-moms at East High School ask for four weeks of maternity leave
The Denver Post - Birth leave sought for girls
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01-08-2008, 03:04 PM
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big change from when I was in high school. "moms to be" were taken out of regular schools and placed in adult schools. Same with married students. What we have done is made having children out of wedlock to be totally and completely acceptable regardless of the consequences. I don't know that kicking unwed mothers out of school is the best answer but I don't think they belong in the same school as children. Once they become mothers they are no longer children but parents.
By the way, I also think it time to make the fathers of those children responsible for their actions as well
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01-08-2008, 03:39 PM
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big change from when I was in high school. "moms to be" were taken out of regular schools and placed in adult schools. Same with married students. What we have done is made having children out of wedlock to be totally and completely acceptable regardless of the consequences. I don't know that kicking unwed mothers out of school is the best answer but I don't think they belong in the same school as children. Once they become mothers they are no longer children but parents.
By the way, I also think it time to make the fathers of those children responsible for their actions as well
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It's nice to agree with you for a change, Nate. 
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01-08-2008, 04:36 PM
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Well the problen is that a LOT of these kids were born to Mothers who had children, while still kids themselves. There is no stigma associated with this, they become 'cool' with their friends, and when the child is born they can quit school, and go on Welfare. 
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01-08-2008, 05:04 PM
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Well the problen is that a LOT of these kids were born to Mothers who had children, while still kids themselves. There is no stigma associated with this, they become 'cool' with their friends, and when the child is born they can quit school, and go on Welfare. 
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So, the best way to end this problem is to return the oneous of shame to having a child out of wedlock. Since its a proven issue that poverty and its associated ills is a factor of single parent households isn't it time to take this back from those who are actually harming these girls by telling them its ok to go on welfare?
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01-08-2008, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
big change from when I was in high school. "moms to be" were taken out of regular schools and placed in adult schools. Same with married students. What we have done is made having children out of wedlock to be totally and completely acceptable regardless of the consequences. I don't know that kicking unwed mothers out of school is the best answer but I don't think they belong in the same school as children. Once they become mothers they are no longer children but parents.
By the way, I also think it time to make the fathers of those children responsible for their actions as well
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You are absolutely right. Yes, the "moms to be" are responsible but so are the "fathers to be", they may not bear the child in their womb but it is just as much their child as it is the mother's. They BOTH make bad/ questionable choices, so why shouldn't both of them deal with the shame and humiliation? Also I agree that stopping the "future mother's" education would be bad not only because she would just go on welfare, but because the child wouldn't have many of the things he/she could have had if they were born a few years later or if the mother stayed in school. I'm not sure I would like a "mother to be" and the guy who impregnated her hanging out with my daughter in the school hallway, but something tells me that the government won't make a school just for impregnated teens. And I must say that I'm not entirely sure that I want my tax money going to that at the moment, maybe in the future, but it would also make these teens disassociated. They would be like contagious viruses that we didn't want out in public, and that wouldn't be good. But you made many valid points that people need to take into account.
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01-09-2008, 08:56 AM
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i think this is really up to the school district and the way they wish to handle the education of THEIR children...
if a school district says, that you aren't allowed a leave of abscence, as long as 4 weeks... than tough... like it, leave it, or change it.
if a school district says, mother's can take time off... then fine.
it is a hard choice because you kinda are forced into a socialist view when you think about PUBLIC schooling... i think something of this nature is a local issue... because it can be debated to either way
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01-09-2008, 09:16 AM
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So, the best way to end this problem is to return the oneous of shame to having a child out of wedlock. Since its a proven issue that poverty and its associated ills is a factor of single parent households isn't it time to take this back from those who are actually harming these girls by telling them its ok to go on welfare?
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66% drop out of school anyway. The parents of these teen "parents' should be responsible for their own children and grandchildren.
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01-09-2008, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
So, the best way to end this problem is to return the oneous of shame to having a child out of wedlock. Since its a proven issue that poverty and its associated ills is a factor of single parent households isn't it time to take this back from those who are actually harming these girls by telling them its ok to go on welfare?
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Maybe if they could get an abortion without the consent of a parent, this topic wouldn't need to be discussed.
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01-09-2008, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
66% drop out of school anyway. The parents of these teen "parents' should be responsible for their own children and grandchildren.
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Yeah...that's the sort of wishy-washy, dodging answer I expected when I saw Nathan's post.
Let me rephrase for him: he asked whether we as a society should return to shunning and otherwise socially punishing girls who get pregnant out of wedlock as a means of making this a socially unacceptable thing to do. He didn't ask about dropout rates.
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