I'll cut straight to the point, we NEED stricter guide lines for those who educate the children of the United States. Look at it through the children's eyes- would you want a teacher starring at your breasts during science class? Something gives me the strange feeling that you wouldn't, so why would the kids like an older man or woman gaping at them like they are on show. Also the education system should take a closer look at the educator's teaching habits. I have encountered many of teachers that seem to know very little about the subject they are teaching. Could they teach to the standards we hope to expect from the people that we entrust our children's mental development and their current education? There are many teachers out there that encourage their students to either act in an disorderly way, or just change their way, habits, or beliefs, this cannot and shouldn't be allowed. These children need to search to find their likes and dislikes without teacher interferences. Yes, I agree that teachers should step in if students are acting in a inappropriate way or are dealing with abuse or issues at home. Back to the subject of porn-loving teachers, would you like your son or daughter's teacher looking at porn pictures under his desk while the students are taking a test? Or perhaps he/she is slapping students butts as the bend over to get a drink of water from the water-fountain. The principals and board of education needs to preform much deeper and more test and evaluations on these teachers who may have habits that should be kept at bay when surrounded by under age students that they are expected to be responsible for. Also I urge you to consult you children to go to another adult that they trust if they or their friends are feeling harrassed in any way.


Peace & Love
Dave

Schools just need to outlaw Teacher's Unionizing. For once allow the Schools and communities to get rid of bad teachers...

Or do the good thing, and allow actual competition in the market and privatize schooling. Teachers go to school, just to get assigned Government Jobs with little to no risk.

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Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

Hmmm...

1. You assume that "old men" who are teachers are all there only to stare at kid's bodies? Do you have some stats that back this up?
2. This suggests that you believe that YOUNGER teachers, don't do this and that therefore, we should what? Fire any teacher over the age of...40? Is that "old" to you? 30? 25?
3. This further suggests that you believe experience behind the wheel, so to speak, means nothing. A young, just-graduated teacher is, simply because he/she won't be perving on his/her students (I guess it's different when the students have a hot young teacher and THEY are doing the perving...). I'm curious as to how you've arrived at this conclusion. Let's say you are right all "old" teachers are just there to perv on the hot young kids. Does it necessarily follow from this that all "young" teachers are therefore better at the job? Can you explain this reasoning to us?
4. So we should churn out teachers in our teacher colleges, they go to work for, let's say, 10 years, and are then automatically...what, fired? Retireed at age 30 or 35? Two issues: could we afford to retire teachers at age 35 (that's 35-40 years on retirement, and given teacher retirement packages....wooowee!). If we are simply going to fire them, and ban them from teaching after age 35, who would spend 5-6 years getting teacher creds only to work a decade or so? Very, very stupid people? Teachers already tend to come from the lowest quintile of college graduates...do we WANT to weed out any who might have enen an ounce of smarts, lift the barrel and scrape the dirt and scum from not simply the bottom, but UNDER it? This makes sense to you?
5. Teacher qualification is another thing, and probably more on-point. NCLB is supposed to address this, but of course the NEA is opposed to it, and so are many teachers. It would work to do this OVER TIME. But it will take time, and that doesn't help anyone in the system now, stuck with a teacher who knows little or nothing about their subject. It also does not help that CE for teachers is typically something like "sit on a beach and read a book from your discipline, write up a 2-page book report on it," and get their CE creds.
6. Giving teachers their due, the system generally prevents them from enforcing discipline in the classroom. You don't know this because you are looking at it from YOUR side of the classroom. But a teacher who enforces discipline (I did when I was a teacher) by driving the disruptive children out of the class, say, is looked at at a teacher who "cannot control" their classroom. Typically, if these teachers don't make it to tenure (3 yrs most places) they are fired, and this record follows them, and they are not rehired. If they gain tenure and THEN start enforcing discipline, they are not offered long-term contracts in a school and end up bouncing around from school to school for the entirety of their career. The lack of discipline in the classroom is not the teacher's doing. Most would LOVE to take the disruptive students out and drive over them with a truck. That's not permitted. Nor is sending them to the office every day, ESPECIALLY under NCLB, because typically, the most disruptive kids are the "at risk" ones whom NCLB is supposed to be addressing.
7. How can a child "search to find [his/her] likes dislikes" without any teacher input in a school setting? Perhaps a less-directed approach would work with you..does that mean it will work with EVERY student?
8. Very good closing advice. By the way...did you know that sometimes (and this is not that rare) the students come on to the teacher? Look, I'm an old man and as a sub, this happens to me constantly. I don't pretend to myself that it's because I look like Brad Pitt. It's something else within these students. AS and old man, I have the maturity to understand that and to avoid things like being alone with a student, touching a student in anyway, or egging them on. I've had some VERY attractive young women in high schools do this to me and I know for a FACT that as a 25 yr-old there is no way in hell I would/could have stopped myself from encouraging it to its endgame. As an "old man" whom you assume gives tests while looking at porn (don't get me wrong, I'm no saint. I like a bit of porn now and again...but not in the classroom any more than I'd stash a nudie mag in my Bible for church) I am able to deal with such events with, I hope, a bit more maturity than I would have as a younger man.

Thanks for your input. I would suggest (if I am not offbase here) talking to your PARENTS about these concerns if they are what you are seeing/experiencing in your own classes. On the other hand, if you have some hot young babe teacher hitting on you....well, it's her choice and her career.....

Why's it any skin off YOUR nose?

Tokie

Yes to the first, no to the second.

The reality is that we are a huge population now (it's not 1785, satv) and there are large numbers of "parents" who simply don't care. It's easy enough to sneeringly say, "well, that's THERE problem!" but in reality if a large number of kids were simply not sent to ANY sort of schooling (which is what would happen if the PS system were entirely privatized) we'd quickly develop a large underclass of completely uneducated, unemployables who would, eventually cause our society real problems.

I realize that as an "anarcho-libertarian" you believe that it's up to the parents, but the reality is that "parents" who don't give a damn make their kids into larger society's problem.

Is turning America (faster) into a 3rd world hellhole really desirable to you?

Tokie

"bad teachers" aren't always the problem here.

I hate how parents let their children rot their minds with television garbage and leave them completely un-prepared for school, and then they blame "bad teachers" on the problem. As a high school student I'd say 90% of the problem is just bad students. In 20 years it's like we'll be unknowingly infantile, kids are so retarded.

The other 10% would be IMO blamed on school district heads and school boards. There should be definitely more accountability in the school district.

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I would rather be concerned with the problems of too little Government than too much.

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

Lastly, you need to realize that I am not an anarchist. I believe Government is a neccessary evil. If an anarchist society is ever set up, some other nation will just conquer it, or someone from within will. Government is needed to protect liberty and set up laws. When it goes beyond that, such as state owned school, and so on. You create problems, and red tape that are not easily reformed or fixed.

I am of the actual, originalist Libertarian School of thought. Smaller Government and Free Trade.

Just to clarify. I suppose youll keep calling me an anarchist, but hey. I imagine your not too familiar with Classical Liberalism, so I forgive your ignorance.

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

Let me tell you a little secret wise guys, from someone who actually teaches future teachers...

The main problem is school districts willing to hire uncertified teachers who have not even completed a degree. Stop that and you will tackle a big first step. All the other stuff said on the thread is total BS, I have the #s to back up what I am saying and I see it year after year. it is a massive problem all over the country.

Why you're getting into super defense mode I dunno, I haven't called you anything.

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Was not addressed to you, sorry.

People keep calling me a fucking Anarchist, it gets annoying when the closed minded asshole or two have no idea about anything.

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman