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Old 12-14-2007, 07:38 PM
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That's true O/B...If you're putting out the cash as a Business Owner, the last thing you want is a Harlem "Graduate" as an Employee.

Let the Liberals hire it first... They deserve the first pick of the litter.


They bread it through their own stupidity, let them enjoy the outcome of their labor first.
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:47 AM
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I don't live anywhere near Harlem.

My kids attend (until the middle of next week) a local high school that gets favorable rankings in the statewide tests every year. The youngest started there last year, the oldest this year, after years of private schooling.

Here is what happened about a month ago: my oldest daughter burst out in tears one night at dinner complaining that I put too much onion in everything.

A valid complaint, but this kid never cries about anything...and onions sets her off?

A little Dr. Phil-like digging and we discover that she is frightened to death at her school.

Bullies? Gangs? Ninja cops kicking down doors and opening lockers every day?

Um...no, the place is pretty tame. She told us this: "I feel like every day I get a little bit dumber and worse, I see that (her little sister) has gotten dumber and dumber since she's been in that school."

Any parent who loves their kids (libs, stop reading now...they are just "tissue" to you) cannot help but be horrified by something like this.

We were.

We are withdrawing them at Chritm...oops!--the "Holiday Break", and will be home an online schooling them until they graduate.

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Old 12-15-2007, 08:57 AM
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You have to remember that "teachers" on average (key term, apologists and other libs) come from the lowest graduating quintile of our colleges.

In short, most go into "teaching" because it's an attractive profession for someone not able to do anything else.

To be sure, there are some great teachers. I never ran into any in my school career, and neither have my kids in their abreviated public schools experience. Nor did my wife. One of my brothers had one good teacher. My sister had one too. She slep with him when she was 16. She said he was "good" anyway.

Maybe she meant something else. I never really wanted to go much into it with my sister.

We always hear about "the teacher" who made a "difference" in our lives. I had one of those. She convinced me in the 6th grade that I was too stupid to learn. I remember, during the then required standardized testing, that I read every vocab word on the list...I was at the end of the words for 12 grade, it said so right on the sheet.

Her comment was a sneering dismissal because I'd mispronounced the one word: antique. I pronounded it (11 years old, poor family...had never heard or read this word up to then) "an-tee-cue."

I remember being pretty proud to have read through the whole list. She crushed that by her sneering, nasty beration.

Most "teachers" are in the "profession" because it's pretty soft work. You don't have to know much, you only work 8 months of the year (but get paid for 12) you get union proteaction after 3 years--and virtually cannot be fired for any reason after that. It's typically nice working conditions. There's a thing the schools call "dance of the lemons." This is where a teacher who generates a LOT of complaints from parents (the school does not care about their qualifications or skills) but who has "seniority" and therfore union protection (here, it costs about $250k to fire a teacher) will be shifted around from school to school every year, to dodge the complaints without going to the expense of firing.

Only the very worst teachers teach in schools in "bad" area; the few actually good teachers are in such high demand, they can quickly move to better schools.

So, what you get is the worst of the worst teaching the worst.

Does this make sense to anyone?

Libs?

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Old 12-15-2007, 10:21 AM
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Yes, it all makes sense.

Congrats to homeschooling your child

This is an interesting to read; Where To Educate Your Children - Forbes.com
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I guess that we were very lucky in the schools that educated our children. For the most part in the smaller schools the teachers really do care about teaching.

But I also think that the brighter teachers today are not going into teaching because of the low pay and lack of respect from the community they live in.
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I guess that we were very lucky in the schools that educated our children. For the most part in the smaller schools the teachers really do care about teaching.

But I also think that the brighter teachers today are not going into teaching because of the low pay and lack of respect from the community they live in.
I don't believe this. I've subbed for years in my district (some don't think of subbing in middle schools--sort of my specialty--as something a sane person would do for a fun break from their daily grind, but I do) and I've run into a few good teachers.

Very few.

Most are stuttering morons who couldn't find their own asses with both hands and a flashlight.

I'm no Einstein, I probably can't even spell the name correctly, but you don't have to be to recognize how, frankly, dumb many of these people are.

Anecdote: when I took test to qualify to sub (same test a "real" teacher takes) I found the thing so mindless and simple I had to down more coffee in a single 4 hour period than I normally drink in a whole week just to stay awake.

During breaks, in talking to others who were there to become "real" teachers, the consensus was in: this was the "hardest" test they'd ever taken!

I was so bored, when it came time for the essay portion in which I was asked to discuss thematic intent and its impact in our culture of some broadly popular bit of "literature" (including TV) I chose to pound out about 5 pages on the "psycho-sexual themes presented in Gilligan's Island and how they mirror those of American culture in the late 1960s and early 1970s."

I passed with one of the highest scores they'd ever had on the test.

I am assuming nobody actually READ my essay, because it was utter horseshit from word one on.

One of the problems with parents(and this is not just my observation) who "like" their kids' teachers and their kids' schools is that they have no other frame of referece save dimming memories of their own school experience. Of course, most teachers are going to be relatively likable for the minimum of time we interact with them as parents and they've been well-trained in eduspeak and how to "handle" parents both in their college Ed. classes and through on-the-job training and various "in-service" seminars and what not. We'd like to THINK that CE for a teacher means updating/refreshing thier knowledge of their subject, but most of it is basically "how to blow smoke up parents' asses without letting on that that's what you are doing."

If you haven't been in a private, or homeschooled, then all you know is the local PS system, and besides, you might also be (I have) prettying it up in your own mind, saying "...yeah, well...it's not THAT bad," so you don't feel so guilty about throwing your kids into this.

That leaves you unable to objectively judge the schools and certainly puts you too close to the issue.

There is a reason why something on the order of 70% of all incoming freshmen (college) have to take remedial English, math and sci courses, just so they can take the entry-level classes at college.

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Congrats to homeschooling your child
I guess my fascetiousness did not come through.

No, having the dumbest college graduates, themselves graduates of bad public schools, "educate" our children does not make sense.

And it has nothing to do with wages, by the way. It has to do with jumping throuhg hoops. I know lots of professionals, competent in many other areas who, upon retiring or just burning out have said, "I'd love to teach (my area of specialty) but I am not going back to college to take 2 years-worth of useless education classes."

Instead, the education colleges keep churning out dummies who can parrot all the correct PC answers in their ED classes (while barely maintaing a 2.0 GPA in their real classes) to fill our schools with boobs who can be counted on to vote the right way both in union affairs and state and national elections, lest they loose their berth on the public schools gravy train.

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I sent out all the kids' applications today, I'm ready for private school, again. We gave public school a shot, it's just not for our family.
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I sent out all the kids' applications today, I'm ready for private school, again. We gave public school a shot, it's just not for our family.
I'm thinking along the lines of more InterNet Courses being made available for Education.

Instead of wasting time and energy in getting the kids to and from School, hire true Professionals to Teach, pay them what their worth, and the Parents have more control and say over what's being taught to their Kids...


More interaction...No Gang violence,,,no Drugs or perverts bothering your kids...And we have control over the Courses being taught.

No Teachers Union to deal with, or burnt-out inept Teachers destroying the Kids...

Anyone else have a thought on this?
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