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08-02-2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cat's meow
Both should be included but one needs to be taught in the science class and the other needs to be taught in the comparitive religious studies class (and the later we do not offer in public school...big problem I think). I am a very big public school advocate but the problem could have been headed off years ago by allowing a religious studies curriculum in public curriculum. ID is a bad cover for Creationism and it is the same old debate that has been going on for years. The facts are that we would have better school system by teaching more, not less. Look at the problems we are haivng today, it is a lack of knowledge of the other side's beliefs and social interests.
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Exactly. It wouldn't be nigh as bad if they would just put a disclaimer about the everchanging nature of science and how we can never be absolutely certain about anything in the class, but they don't they just pass it all off as truth.
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08-02-2006, 05:19 PM
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I want to know why there just can't be a sticker in there saying that there are many ideas on the origins on the universe and science will never be able to prove which one is the correct idea.
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08-02-2006, 07:59 PM
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If you fight fire with fire you get burned. That isn't a solution to the problem in education Politicon and TheYellowDog. Imagine the movie Bladerunner, with Harrison Ford, it is based on a short story, that barely reads for 15 minutes. What is the story telling, a moral, what is a moral. All this is how one should be educated. Take an ideal, find a short story that explains or uses it, then show them the film that best captures the essence of that ideal. If it is a documentary that best explains it then so be it, but use the screen for the work as well. The best way to educate that the TV is a tool is to use it for your purpose. All this from a single ideal and where does it lead, this is where you can feed the mind all the possibilities and outcomes of such a simple ideal. If the tone of the ideal is religious so be it but the concepts of religion not doctrine that preaches a purgatory or penance or stuff of the like. That is what the seperation of Church and State reads to me. Church not Religion and religion is not the Book but the morals, ideals and rhetoric are religion. The Crucifiction is about sacrifice, so teach it as such, not under a heading that reads anything from Genisis to Revelations.
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08-03-2006, 01:05 AM
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Speaking of Prime Ministers, what happen to those with a backbone? The Iron Lady (Margaret Thatcher) didn't hesitate to stand up to Bozo Reagan when it came to it's Falkland War with Argentina. Bozo wanted Britain to negotiate with Argentina. Bush's puppy Tony Blair, on the other hand, doesn't even go to the bathroom without an ok from Shrub. Talk about a milk toast wimp! 
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This tendancy to immediately revert to personal attacks detracts from intelligent discussions in here.
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08-03-2006, 01:45 AM
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Should we teach ghosts and goblins in school, how about witchcraft. No. Science stands for itself and states that proofs and research stand on historic evidences, not faith that something is.
Religon belongs in the relm of faith beliefs, not science. don't try to prove God exists outside of church or your own home. That is treading on the rights of others. Freedom of religon is a personal choice, not something to be shoved down anyone's throat.
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08-03-2006, 03:13 AM
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My point is you can introduce both in the realm of fiction under the same banner. This way you don't get yelled at by the anti-religious and science has more of an appealing sense, until one decides to take the trip along either path or continue in the same vein. To outright neglect that their paths cross is ludicrous if not damaging to the way a person was taught or how they formed an understanding.
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08-06-2006, 02:11 PM
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Americans spend more money per student than anyother country and look at the product we get back. A student that can't read or write. The student has been dumbed down and can't think for himself. I think that Bloke has a good idea about teaching history. How many of our children can't even tell you what the capital city of the state they live in much less the capitals of all the fifty states? I am sure that they know all the words to their favorite songs though 
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08-06-2006, 09:33 PM
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Then in that sense, music should be used to explain literature. Grab the latest cd from Byonce and use the lyrics to teach reading, poetry and then introduce a few of Billy Holidays songs and do the same. If we don't use the medium that they relate to then they are not going to learn. I would guarentee that not many Pearl Jam fans know the lyrics to all the songs without aide from a lyric sheet in the sleeve. So to use it in class would be a process that children will learn by.
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08-06-2006, 10:25 PM
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I am in a public high school and I am amazed at how many of my friends don't know the meaning of words I learned in 3rd or 4th grade, and therefore can't understand simple instructions in class, but if you ask about their favorite sport or music artist they can tell you everything. These kids aren't stupid, the adults in their life just didn't teach them what they need in real life, instead they get dumped on teachers, and some kids are such a discipline problem that the teacher spends more time arguing than teaching.
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08-30-2006, 04:57 PM
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How can anyone still believe in a theory like Intelligent Design? None of its based on fact which makes it more philosophy than science.
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