There are other ways to use Homeschool methods without doing it yourself. In the end it comes down to individual rights and what you think the Government should have the power to dictate. Education, being one thing I don't think they are capable of doing, effectively. Government is too incompetent and wasteful to handle the most simplist of tasks.

Also, Most states don't even require physical Education. Do you even know anything about Education?

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Nah...thread been dead so long I just wasn't reading it till you bumped it.
The statistics in the links I provided show your assertions about the "... ten knuckle dragging sub 90 IQ bible thumping kooks who are neither able to educate their kids, or have no honerable reasons for wanting to..." to be just partisan ranting on your part. What a surprise!
We are in agreement that No Child Left Behind has been a massive failure.
I would also agree that any labwork to meet scientific criteria should be mandatory.
As far as the check ups by the school nurse...I'd agree ALL kids should have a yearly check-up but the family doctor would do just fine. Unless, of course, you feel the families would doctor shop until they found one willing to overlook abuse.
My feeling is that a home-schooled student should have to meet the same requirements of their school-taught brethern. That goes for physical education also.
A teaching certificate is not necessary. Again, the student should have to meet the SAME requirements as those in schools. That means an established curriculum. With the proper guides and the help available, a relatively intelligent, properly concerned parent can do that. IMO

Nahhh...not partisan in the least
And we agree on over half my points
On on those we dont, you are wrong, plain and simple

Can a "relatively intelligent, properly concerned parent" ( and most home school parents fall way short of even that) teach Advanced math and Science ? Not in a million years
Can they teach Pys-ed ? Prolly not
Do they have lab facilities in their home...nope
So you see, your model does NOT allow for them to "meet the SAME requirements as those in schools" Not even close

Do tell ? Who WILL do the teaching ? The idiot minister, the guy with the webbed fingers who dropped out of school in 8th grade and now sells oats at the feed store, or the fat lady who collects lot rents at the trailer park ?
Get real, we dont need another generation of paranoid nincompoops



As usual, you are wrong, Most states DO require phys ed, and all SHOULD require it. That way we wont produce a generation of slobbering fat pigs so common now in red State America

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Sorry you have such little faith in people but, yes, with the PROPER instructions available, reasonably intelligent parents CAN teach advanced ideas.
No where did I say the facilities would be available in the home. But if you want to talk "lab facilities", then its not beyond imagination to think you could have a bunsen burner and a few beakers in your home.
My MODEL does allow for them to meet the requirements. The Physical Education and science requirements could be achieved by the child using the PUBLIC SCHOOL facilites which the parents are already paying for.
There are options available. I thought you superior intellect types could think outside the box.

Illinois is the only State that requires Daily Physical Education/Physical Activity for all grades, K-12...

How am I wrong in anything? Please spread some more of your emotional dribble about your irrational hatred of anything not Government Operated.

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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

So you have now admitted that a child can not be properly educated in the home.
Good, we have made progress

You still want to stick to the silly notion however, that uneducated parents can properly educate. Needless to say, that is beyond silly and borders on the idiotic.

That is why I give you a little more credit, and VERY LITTLE more credit then I give SATV365 and those of his ilk, who are determined to create a generation of paranoid nincompoops, in order to emulate their own lack of intellect.

Oh and by the way Adolph (SATV)

As usual, you are 100% WRONG...but why should this topic be different then any other ?

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It's quite simple really, I'm smarter then you

Depends on your definition of "home-schooling" I guess. Never once considered a home-schooled child to be restricted to learning in their own home.
To me, its the same as field trips for public school students. Not many public schools can afford the art they take kids to see at museums. Or the orchestras they take the kids to see to enjoy classical music. Or the plays they experience at a Performing Arts center or theater. Or to natural museums to explore fossils or gems.
Just as outside sources are used in public education, why not outside sources for home-schoolers? In this case, the labs or phys ed facilities at a public school.

Also never said anything about "uneducated" parents. I think the parent doing the education should have to meet some minimum standards. This might include some continuing education for the parent to meet these standards.

I'd ALMOST be willing to bet you that within a couple of years, home-schoolng will be presented as a means to help control costs in cash-strapped school districts by reducing the need for new construction to handle increased students.

We differ in that I don't see (and the statistics don't show) home-schooling as inherently evil. I said at the beginning that I believe the lessons learned in a conventional school setting go beyond the ABC's. The social skills and ability to adapt to a diverse environment are equally important, in my book.

But home-schooling is an option that I believe more and more people will want to pursue. Whether or not you or I agree with it.

We agree on several points, and I think where we disagree, is on the motivation and agenda that many "home schoolers" harbor

Make no mistake, the majority of the home school activists are such, because they want to keep knowledge FROM children, not make sure they gain it.

This is why, as you stated, both home education, and home educators need ro meet certain criteria, and you can bet your last nickle, that the Home schooling activists would rabidly oppose such regulation. A slam dunk for my contentions

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That bet you just made is called an assumption and it means exactly jack shit

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Then how do you suppose a relatively intelligent STUDENT is able to learn Advanced Math and Science?

I home-school my kids and guess what? They had interests that I didn't. My oldest daughter loves geology...I have no interest in it. But they have these things...whatchamacallits...textbooks! Yeah, those doohickeys. Turns out, ANY relatively intelligent parent CAN teach ANYTHING. Teachers in the Public Schools don't have some supernatural power...they just teach from a book. You really only need the teacher if you DON'T have a parent who's willing to do the job...there's nothing special about them.

I don't know what street you live on, but Phys Ed is just like any other subject: if the parent doesn't know the material, he/she can learn. Why are you so stuck on the idea that children MUST learn, but for some reason adults CAN'T learn?

Sure they do. "Lab" doesn't mean beakers, distilleries, electron microscopes, etc. Lab is just a term to refer to a place where you learn science in a hands-on environment. Grab a screwdriver and a DVD player. *poof* You now have an Electronics Lab project. Grab a frog and a scalpel. *poof* You now have a Biology Lab project.

If you can't fathom how the world around you is full of hands-on Lab studies, then YOU might want to rethink the quality of YOUR education.

You're right, in that respect. No matter how hard I try, I cannot ever duplicate the education my child would get at a Public School. My morality forbids me from selling my kids drugs; my morality forbids me from sexually assaulting my child in the locker room; my morality forbids me from bullying my kids because they're different; and my morality forbids me from allowing a handful of inept strangers guide my child into adulthood.



Geez. If that's who lives in your neighborhood, it's no wonder you fear home-schooling. Most of us have regular, normal people in our neighborhoods, not mutants.

Nope. But let's say you're right. For the sake of argument, let's really oversimplify in your favor:

Suppose that going to Public School guaranteed that a kid would become a Nobel prize winning doctor, and home-schooling guaranteed that the kid would never, ever, advance beyond Gas Station Attendant.

So what?

Show me where, in the Constitution, in the USC, in the CFR, in ANY BODY OF LAW, LEGAL OR RELIGIOUS, show me where it says that it's against the Law for parents to raise Gas Station Attendants. Show me where it's YOUR right to decide for my children.

No matter WHAT example I hold up to show a successfully home-schooled kid...doctor, lawyer, diplomat, astronaut...no matter WHAT they become, you can ALWAYS point to a better job, a higher calling, a smarter human. So. What? Just because YOU think home-schoolers could be so much more doesn't make it your business. And it most certainly has NEVER been the business of Government.

Whether or not the child's education comes from Public Schools, Private Schools, or Home Schools is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Not your choice. Not the Government's choice. For my children, it is MY choice. For your children, it is YOUR choice...

Wait, that's it, isn't it? You DID send your kids to public school, and they ARE gas station attendants, aren't they? Now you have this desperate need to validate your choice by claiming there should be NO choice...that Public School is the ONLY right choice, and so you're not to blame for your failure!

Or maybe you're validating Mom and Dad's choice to foist you off on the Government because they couldn't be bothered to raise you themselves? That it?

Nobody wants a generation of slobbering fat pigs...but it isn't against the law to be one. So, even if that's all home-schoolers could become, so what? Just don't be one yourself, and let the slobbering fat pigs be themselves.

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