United Nations dictating Education

satv365 · #31 (**permalink**) 12-29-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GAYDAR

I certainly was flip, and painted the issue with too broad a brush, however, there was truth in what I said in many cases, and if you choose to admit it to me or not, you know it as well as I do. If you are in the same camp with scoundrals, dont blame me for pointing it out

Having said that, lets take YOUR flip statements and examine them

1. I doubt, in fact I am certain that your local school board does not consist of Socialist marxists, and frankly, for you to make such a statement, leads me to think that your daughter is very much in need of some input from a less bias sourse then yourself. The hypeboly and rhetoric, also paints any arguement you make, as rants from a right wing extremist, be that actual or precieved

2. Call upon you logic and humility, and realize that home schooling assures your daughter will never know more, or acheive more then her teacher (you)
Is that really in her best interest? You dont have to answer me, but you really should ask yourself that question, and think hard about the answer.

3 Public schools do teach most of the things you mentioned. You may not like that fact that they do it in a non Eurocentric, objective, and globalist way, and you may not like the conclusions arrived at by academia, but like it or not, that is what is expected in the real world, and to deprive her of that knowledge because it offends your nateral prejudice, is not the earmark of a parent with a childs best interests in mind

4. You mentioned religion. Allow me to have the uinmitigated gall to point out the constitutional mandate, that public institutions are not the place for that. If aligning myself with the founders of this nation makes me a Maoist, so be it.

6. You mention the Mexican American war ? The issue was thatt Sam Houston needed slaves, and Mexico outlawed slavery, so he hired mercinaries to fight his war. This is the FACT of the matter, but I suspect however, that your version paints a more sanitized picture. Again, all the more reason for the puiblic school counter balance.

7. Do not buy the hype (IE, bullshit) spread by the extreamists who advocate home schooling. The FACT is, most accredited colleges require remedial classes from home schoolled students in their freshman year, and sometimes beyond, and in FACT, at many colleges, home schooling is a red flag against acceptance.

And finally, (take all the offense you like) to put you childs future at risk for a partisan political agenda, is borderline child neglect. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Hah, Your still calling me a child molestor, you ass packing commie. Proponents of Homeschooling are not indeed Child Molestors, Child beaters and Religious nut cases. Or whatever generalization they teach you to say to Libertarians, Conservatives or anyone who wants a balanced education rather than the historical revisionism of Public Schooling.

Homeschooling is a right, by the parents to determine what is best for there children.

What you fail to mention is the fact that the public schools have been giving high-school diplomas to vast numbers of functional illiterates for decades, thereby being the main institutions responsible for this inexcusable phenomenon which seriously damages the lives of millions of Americans as well as our economy. (At least 90 percent of K-12 student attend public schools.)

This collectivist concept clearly implies that everybody in the United States comprises just one big family (a collective), and that we must all be held responsible, by force of government, for everybody else, including children. (Bill Clinton, a collectivist to the core of his being, often refers to all of us as “the American family.”)

The problem with America's educational system began with the birth of socialism and given impetus by federal government involvement. Lenin, one of the world's leading experts on socialism, tells us - “Communism is socialism in a hurry.” Socialism, therefore, is communism by gradualism rather than by revolution. The socialist “Fabian Society,” the forerunner of most socialist groups in America, had as their motto “Make Haste Slowly.” “Democratic Socialism” became the battle cry to socialize the United States of America. The socialists' goal was to “permeate and penetrate,” then control this nation from deep within. Their first target in America was our children through public instruction.

In the U.S. their followers would use language as their first line of attack and deceit. They would wear no badge nor socialist label, but were to call themselves “liberal,” “progressive” and even “moderate.” Words were the weapon of choice for this new war. By changing and shifting word meanings the socialists could cover their true purpose. Everything would be done under the banners of “reform” and “social justice,” suggesting all was for the public good, for humanitarian reasons, for true democracy -- and finally -- for the children. The buzzwords of socialism were then, and are today, “social” and “democracy” (i.e. social science, social studies and socialization of the child). Robert Conquest observed, “a communist never does anything under his own name that he can do under someone else's.”

In the early 1900's, because of unrest in Europe, thousands of socialists flocked to America for safety. Large numbers held degrees in the fields of psychology, sociology and psychiatry (behavioral sciences, dealing with behavior and social change). Many went on to become college and university professors.

Norman Thomas, socialist and member of the Civil Liberties Union, boldly told the world, “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.”

satv365 · #32 (**permalink**) 12-29-2007, 10:44 PM

Socialism has taken over Public Schooling. Parents have no right to teach there own children? I do not think so.

And if you can not provide any statistical facts regarding your idiotic assumptions of people who homeschool there children, or people who send them to private schools, than you shall be disregarded. Like the rest of the Leftist idiots who come and go from this forum when they can not stand the onslaught of assaults on there bigoted, idiotic stances on our inalienable rights.

GAYDAR · #33 (**permalink**) 12-29-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Hah, Your still calling me a child molestor, you ass packing commie. Proponents of Homeschooling are not indeed Child Molestors, Child beaters and Religious nut cases. Or whatever generalization they teach you to say to Libertarians, Conservatives or anyone who wants a balanced education rather than the historical revisionism of Public Schooling.

Homeschooling is a right, by the parents to determine what is best for there children.

What you fail to mention is the fact that the public schools have been giving high-school diplomas to vast numbers of functional illiterates for decades, thereby being the main institutions responsible for this inexcusable phenomenon which seriously damages the lives of millions of Americans as well as our economy. (At least 90 percent of K-12 student attend public schools.)

This collectivist concept clearly implies that everybody in the United States comprises just one big family (a collective), and that we must all be held responsible, by force of government, for everybody else, including children. (Bill Clinton, a collectivist to the core of his being, often refers to all of us as “the American family.”)

The problem with America's educational system began with the birth of socialism and given impetus by federal government involvement. Lenin, one of the world's leading experts on socialism, tells us - “Communism is socialism in a hurry.” Socialism, therefore, is communism by gradualism rather than by revolution. The socialist “Fabian Society,” the forerunner of most socialist groups in America, had as their motto “Make Haste Slowly.” “Democratic Socialism” became the battle cry to socialize the United States of America. The socialists' goal was to “permeate and penetrate,” then control this nation from deep within. Their first target in America was our children through public instruction.

In the U.S. their followers would use language as their first line of attack and deceit. They would wear no badge nor socialist label, but were to call themselves “liberal,” “progressive” and even “moderate.” Words were the weapon of choice for this new war. By changing and shifting word meanings the socialists could cover their true purpose. Everything would be done under the banners of “reform” and “social justice,” suggesting all was for the public good, for humanitarian reasons, for true democracy -- and finally -- for the children. The buzzwords of socialism were then, and are today, “social” and “democracy” (i.e. social science, social studies and socialization of the child). Robert Conquest observed, “a communist never does anything under his own name that he can do under someone else's.”

In the early 1900's, because of unrest in Europe, thousands of socialists flocked to America for safety. Large numbers held degrees in the fields of psychology, sociology and psychiatry (behavioral sciences, dealing with behavior and social change). Many went on to become college and university professors.

Norman Thomas, socialist and member of the Civil Liberties Union, boldly told the world, “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.”

Umm...No..if you actually READ what i wrote, you will see i am NOT calling you a child molester, but sadly, you are aligning yourself with those who do.
EVERY 12 year old "child bride" in fundy Morman compounds in the 4 corners area IS HOME SCHOOLED, and I DARE you to deny that

Again, you are incorrect on some key points. There is a common myth you seem to subscribe to, and that is that THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT runs public schools
Sorry, but this is not the case, not even close
There has been ONE federal mandate in the history of public school curriculum, and what do you suppose that is ?
No child left behind (AKA No child use their mind) instituted by none other then that champion of States rights, GW Bush !

Schools are run for the most part in America, by local school boards, staffed by the guy who makes keys at the hardware store, the lady who works at the phone company, and the retired former gym teacher.
MARXISTS AND SOCIALISTS ????
The idea is laughable. One has to chuckle at the thought of marxist operatives conspiring to infiltrate that Bumfuck Kansas School board. Get real

The rest of your post, sorry to say, is paranoid delusion (Democracy is a secret buzzword for Socialism? HUH ?)
Your attempt to link Lenin with the American classroom, just doesnt hold water.

If you want to find those who threaten your way of life and threaten your daughters future ?
Look no father then the rabid Neo Cons, the nazi Christian right, and the hate mongers who would put you daughter in a chastity belt and claim dominion over her reproductive system. Look no father then the whacko vatican SS, who would impose guilt on her for the destruction of paradise. Look no farther then the GW Bushs of the world, who would deprive her of health care and her constitutional rights.

You lable the ACLU as communists ?
hah !
next time your civil rights are violated, call Bill O'Reilly and see if he comes to your aid. (lol)
The preservation of the Constitution is NOT socialism, it is quite the contrary.

Like I said, your politics is your own, but to use your daughter as a pawn to further the agenda, is something you should rethink. In the real world, your daughter parroting your views, would land her in the fast food industry
Sorry, but it's true

satv365 · #34 (**permalink**) 12-30-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GAYDAR

Umm...No..if you actually READ what i wrote, you will see i am NOT calling you a child molester, but sadly, you are aligning yourself with those who do.
EVERY 12 year old "child bride" in fundy Morman compounds in the 4 corners area IS HOME SCHOOLED, and I DARE you to deny that

Again, you are incorrect on some key points. There is a common myth you seem to subscribe to, and that is that THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT runs public schools
Sorry, but this is not the case, not even close
There has been ONE federal mandate in the history of public school curriculum, and what do you suppose that is ?
No child left behind (AKA No child use their mind) instituted by none other then that champion of States rights, GW Bush !

Schools are run for the most part in America, by local school boards, staffed by the guy who makes keys at the hardware store, the lady who works at the phone company, and the retired former gym teacher.
MARXISTS AND SOCIALISTS ????
The idea is laughable. One has to chuckle at the thought of marxist operatives conspiring to infiltrate that Bumfuck Kansas School board. Get real

The rest of your post, sorry to say, is paranoid delusion (Democracy is a secret buzzword for Socialism? HUH ?)
Your attempt to link Lenin with the American classroom, just doesnt hold water.

If you want to find those who threaten your way of life and threaten your daughters future ?
Look no father then the rabid Neo Cons, the nazi Christian right, and the hate mongers who would put you daughter in a chastity belt and claim dominion over her reproductive system. Look no father then the whacko vatican SS, who would impose guilt on her for the destruction of paradise. Look no farther then the GW Bushs of the world, who would deprive her of health care and her constitutional rights.

You lable the ACLU as communists ?
hah !
next time your civil rights are violated, call Bill O'Reilly and see if he comes to your aid. (lol)
The preservation of the Constitution is NOT socialism, it is quite the contrary.

Like I said, your politics is your own, but to use your daughter as a pawn to further the agenda, is something you should rethink. In the real world, your daughter parroting your views, would land her in the fast food industry
Sorry, but it's true

I actually do not use her further any agenda. She will not be homeschooled. If youv bothered to read the thread.

Now you say Homeschoolers are mormons...

What is your beef with Homeschooling?

Is it not my right to decide how to educate my child, or anyone elses. If I feel like Public Education, which is funded and run by two Political Parties who dominate Federal Politics. Not to mention, I disagree with the notion of Public schools. I am for privitization.

Than you bring up mormons.

So all homeschoolers are mormons now?

What is it?

If you knew anything about homeschooling or parental rights. Id be bothered to discuss things. BUt you came right out of the bag with an attack. A broad generalization based on ignorance, and bigotry.

The underlying control of the classroom comes from the text books and the curriculums mandated by Local, and State legislatures. Funding can be denied, or given based on acceptance of certain curriculums.

It's called the dumbing down of America. I do not support public schools, as the only viable option for education. Privatization would do wonders.

This is not about what you think or feel about the majority of homeschoolers. of which you think they are all mormons, now. This is about parental rights and very, very limited powers of Government over our daily lives.

Tokenconservative · #35 (**permalink**) 12-30-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by satv365

I actually do not use her further any agenda. She will not be homeschooled. If youv bothered to read the thread.

Now you say Homeschoolers are mormons...

What is your beef with Homeschooling?

Is it not my right to decide how to educate my child, or anyone elses. If I feel like Public Education, which is funded and run by two Political Parties who dominate Federal Politics. Not to mention, I disagree with the notion of Public schools. I am for privitization.

Than you bring up mormons.

So all homeschoolers are mormons now?

What is it?

If you knew anything about homeschooling or parental rights. Id be bothered to discuss things. BUt you came right out of the bag with an attack. A broad generalization based on ignorance, and bigotry.

The underlying control of the classroom comes from the text books and the curriculums mandated by Local, and State legislatures. Funding can be denied, or given based on acceptance of certain curriculums.

It's called the dumbing down of America. I do not support public schools, as the only viable option for education. Privatization would do wonders.

This is not about what you think or feel about the majority of homeschoolers. of which you think they are all mormons, now. This is about parental rights and very, very limited powers of Government over our daily lives.

Maybe he meant they are all "morons"?

I'd like to pit my 16 year-olds abilities in calculus against him...she has been homeschooled and is now, again.

Or my 15 year-old's ability to write opera against his.

My kids aren't Mormons, either.

Tokie

Tokenconservative · #36 (**permalink**) 12-30-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Socialism has taken over Public Schooling. Parents have no right to teach there own children? I do not think so.

And if you can not provide any statistical facts regarding your idiotic assumptions of people who homeschool there children, or people who send them to private schools, than you shall be disregarded. Like the rest of the Leftist idiots who come and go from this forum when they can not stand the onslaught of assaults on there bigoted, idiotic stances on our inalienable rights.

Libs are indeed amazing.

I once socialized with one (professional organization) who actually told me that I was being a bad American for sending MY kids to a private school...her's were being homeschooled.

She actually told me that MY kids didn't have the intellectual need to attend anything other than a public school and that _I_ was not supporting the community by sending my kids to a private...while she homeschooled her little Einsteins...

Liberal and Hypocrite. Interchangeable?

Indeed.

Tokie

GAYDAR · #37 (**permalink**) 12-30-2007, 10:30 AM

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So all homeschoolers are mormons now?

When you build a strawman SATV, you need to stuff it a lot better then this. I used this an as example, and it is one you can not deny. It is FAR from the only one

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I do not support public schools, as the only viable option for education. Privatization would do wonders.

Privatization of education would give you hand over education to the lowest bidder, and ration education. The "dumbing down" of America comes form anti intellect, anti academia, and green tooth right wing nincompoops who fear knowledge.

Home schooling (except in extreme cases where it is NECESSARY) is child neglect, end of story.

I take it by your avitar you live in Illinois ? Springfield has enacted laws that make it next to impossible to home school your children, without at least giving them some access to public or private facilities.

A Couple in Sterling/Rock Falls was one of the first to be investigated. Turned out the son had been a victim of sexual abuse by the father. Gee, hard to figure out whety they didnt want to send the kid off to school huh ?

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Tokenconservative Quote:

Libs are indeed amazing.

I once socialized with one (professional organization) who actually told me that I was being a bad American for sending MY kids to a private school...her's were being homeschooled.

She actually told me that MY kids didn't have the intellectual need to attend anything other than a public school and that _I_ was not supporting the community by sending my kids to a private...while she homeschooled her little Einsteins...

Liberal and Hypocrite. Interchangeable?

Indeed.

Nahh, you never socialized with anyone from any professional organization.
With the way you resent and fear education, knowledge success and acheivement, you might as well tattoo "Trailer Trash" on your forehead.

If you have kids they are no doubt thin lipped pale faced barefoot neglect victims who play in mud puddles in the trailer park parking lot.

In order for a homeschooled kid to learn advanced math, they have to be taught by someone who knows advanced math, and clearly, you would be lucky if you can master long division.

Tell me , is it one of those Chrome 40 footers, or have you moved up to a 12x50 with a tin roof ?

Tokenconservative · #38 (**permalink**) 12-30-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GAYDAR

When you build a strawman SATV, you need to stuff it a lot better then this. I used this an as example, and it is one you can not deny. It is FAR from the only one

Privatization of education would give you hand over education to the lowest bidder, and ration education. The "dumbing down" of America comes form anti intellect, anti academia, and green tooth right wing nincompoops who fear knowledge.

Home schooling (except in extreme cases where it is NECESSARY) is child neglect, end of story.

I take it by your avitar you live in Illinois ? Springfield has enacted laws that make it next to impossible to home school your children, without at least giving them some access to public or private facilities.

A Couple in Sterling/Rock Falls was one of the first to be investigated. Turned out the son had been a victim of sexual abuse by the father. Gee, hard to figure out whety they didnt want to send the kid off to school huh ?

Nahh, you never socialized with anyone from any professional organization.
With the way you resent and fear education, knowledge success and acheivement, you might as well tattoo "Trailer Trash" on your forehead.

If you have kids they are no doubt thin lipped pale faced barefoot neglect victims who play in mud puddles in the trailer park parking lot.

In order for a homeschooled kid to learn advanced math, they have to be taught by someone who knows advanced math, and clearly, you would be lucky if you can master long division.

Tell me , is it one of those Chrome 40 footers, or have you moved up to a 12x50 with a tin roof ?

Jesus.

This moron says all homeshoolers are "mormons" and then claims that by someone else pointing out how patently stupid and fasle this assertion is, he claims that's a "strawman."

Anyone want to lay me odds on whether this idiot has any idea in hell what a strawman even is?

No takers, huh?

Next, let's parse this sentence just for its English: "Privatization of education would give you hand over education to the lowest bidder, and ration education."

Yeah, I can't do anything with it, either.

And remember, folks it's TOKIE and other conservatives in here who are the "stupid" ones.

Sheesh.

He can't explain how privitizaion would "ration" education, but hey, lib never have to explain their platitudes, slogan, screed or cant...that's one of the nice things about being a lib: if it's santified by their elites, it's Gospel and requires, no other proof than that!

Is there ANYone else in this forum who can parrot the leftist platitudes, slogans, screed and cant better than this guy?

Then he makes the laughably absurd statement that, apparently, it's the stoopid, ig'nant, rightwing racists running the schools and dumbing them down (after saying they AREN'T being dumbed down...figger that 'un out logically. I TRIPLE dog dare ya!)

Then, he backs this up with the damning (but unsourced) "evidence" that a father was sexually abusing a child...and that kids was HOMESCHOOLED!!!

I guess all those teachers molestering their students in the public schools is okay, because some of those teachers are hot!

Seriously...did you guys get me this clown for a late Christmas present?

I mean, c'mon now...tell the truth. He's an actor right? Nobody, not even the most ardent, hateful, lockstep, mindless, shrieking lefty moonbat can actually be this fucking stupid. I've had retarded goats with more brains. At least they don't shit and then sit it in it.

Tokie

GAYDAR · #39 (**permalink**) 12-30-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokenconservative

Jesus.

This moron says all homeshoolers are "mormons" and then claims that by someone else pointing out how patently stupid and fasle this assertion is, he claims that's a "strawman."

Anyone want to lay me odds on whether this idiot has any idea in hell what a strawman even is?

No takers, huh?

Next, let's parse this sentence just for its English: "Privatization of education would give you hand over education to the lowest bidder, and ration education."

Yeah, I can't do anything with it, either.

And remember, folks it's TOKIE and other conservatives in here who are the "stupid" ones.

Sheesh.

He can't explain how privitizaion would "ration" education, but hey, lib never have to explain their platitudes, slogan, screed or cant...that's one of the nice things about being a lib: if it's santified by their elites, it's Gospel and requires, no other proof than that!

Is there ANYone else in this forum who can parrot the leftist platitudes, slogans, screed and cant better than this guy?

Then he makes the laughably absurd statement that, apparently, it's the stoopid, ig'nant, rightwing racists running the schools and dumbing them down (after saying they AREN'T being dumbed down...figger that 'un out logically. I TRIPLE dog dare ya!)

Then, he backs this up with the damning (but unsourced) "evidence" that a father was sexually abusing a child...and that kids was HOMESCHOOLED!!!

I guess all those teachers molestering their students in the public schools is okay, because some of those teachers are hot!

Seriously...did you guys get me this clown for a late Christmas present?

I mean, c'mon now...tell the truth. He's an actor right? Nobody, not even the most ardent, hateful, lockstep, mindless, shrieking lefty moonbat can actually be this fucking stupid. I've had retarded goats with more brains. At least they don't shit and then sit it in it.

Tokie

Said the blithering idiot who's entire arguement lay as the pile of dog shit it is

I think he is very upset at the fact I exposed him as common trailer trash.
Or maybe it is because the simple facts I laid out went sailing over his pointy head. Oh well, only he and his 14 year old retarded cousin/girlfriend knows for sure

Darn, if ha had been able to disprove even ONE thing i said, we might have given him a LITTLE credit. The name calling is a dead giveaway...the poor bitch is FWUTWATED !

Tell ya what JOKEinConservatard, why dont you sit and watch for a while, and later, maybe the grown ups will let you talk..K spud ?

But first, you didnt answer me,,,what kind of trailer DO you live in ?

satv365 · #40 (**permalink**) 12-30-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GAYDAR

Said the blithering idiot who's entire arguement lay as the pile of dog shit it is

I think he is very upset at the fact I exposed him as common trailer trash.
Or maybe it is because the simple facts I laid out went sailing over his pointy head. Oh well, only he and his 14 year old retarded cousin/girlfriend knows for sure

Darn, if ha had been able to disprove even ONE thing i said, we might have given him a LITTLE credit. The name calling is a dead giveaway...the poor bitch is FWUTWATED !

Tell ya what JOKEinConservatard, why dont you sit and watch for a while, and later, maybe the grown ups will let you talk..K spud ?

But first, you didnt answer me,,,what kind of trailer DO you live in ?

Apparently, you fail to miss the point. You generalize Homeschoolers as Religious fanatics, Neo Nazis, Child Molestors and such. Which if anything proves, more children involved in these things go to Public Schools than are homeschooled.

Secondly, in a Nation founded on Property Rights, Civil Liberties, and Free Market economics. Privatization would do wonders.

Have you heard my concrete plan for Privatization?

Well here it is.

Remove Government From Education, slowly and gradually.
Instead of Federal Money going to Schools, Send the money to the Students, in the form of Tuition Vouchers for the middle class and poor.

You would spend less money per child on Education. You would have better quality of education. And most importantly, Parents in the lower income brackets and rural areas, would have a lot more say in Education.

So these dire Marxist Ideas that Free Marketism equals squashing down the poor astonish me. I'm not against Government spending money on Education. Im against it spending it on Schools. When Schools are the problem.