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Old 02-01-2008, 01:16 PM
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How romantic you are. "Wait honey, I have to get dental dam before I trust you enough to go down on you" or "I really love you so you are going to have to prove you haven't been fucking the entire Democratic Party Champaign Staff, so where is your test results?"

As far as the Koren being pulled out is concerned, I would have no issue with that as long as everyone was treated equally. What the hell, it might actually lead to some understanding between the major religions in this country.
I'd choose my health over romance. and its not about trust, its about safety. it doesn't matter if we are talking about dental dam, gloves, or condoms.
before I slept with last boyfriend I had a HIV test and offered to show him the results- he did trust me enough to take my word for it and since he was open about his sexual history I did trust him that his last test (3 months prior) was clean. some people don't have that level of trust. and young people probably shouldn't have that much trust. as one nurse put it- young people don't practice serious monogamy.
and you can get an STD the first time you have relations with someone.

I do think it would be nice if high schools offered a religious studies course that studied all (major) religions impartially. the thing most people don't know is that students can talk about religion if its relevent and as long as they are respectful. and if teachers keep their personal views to a minimum and clarify what is personal and what is a research-based officail view, there are no issues.

for instance- a bio teacher shouldn't say evolution isn't real but jesus is"

but as one of my english teachers put it:
"I believe god made people. but since people used to look similair to monkeys than perhaps adam and eve looked like cavemen"

or in regards to the myers-brigg test
"we can agree no one is perfect- I believe that there was one person who was, Jesus- so not one, except possibly him will get a perfect 50/50. perhaps a 49/51 but not 50/50"

and on one had issue with these statements. he clarified that these were personal beliefs and everyone is entitled to their own views.
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Old 02-01-2008, 01:18 PM
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I'd choose my health over romance. and its not about trust, its about safety. it doesn't matter if we are talking about dental dam, gloves, or condoms.
before I slept with last boyfriend I had a HIV test and offered to show him the results- he did trust me enough to take my word for it and since he was open about his sexual history I did trust him that his last test (3 months prior) was clean. some people don't have that level of trust. and young people probably shouldn't have that much trust. as one nurse put it- young people don't practice serious monogamy.
and you can get an STD the first time you have relations with someone.

I do think it would be nice if high schools offered a religious studies course that studied all (major) religions impartially. the thing most people don't know is that students can talk about religion if its relevent and as long as they are respectful. and if teachers keep their personal views to a minimum and clarify what is personal and what is a research-based officail view, there are no issues.

for instance- a bio teacher shouldn't say evolution isn't real but jesus is"

but as one of my english teachers put it:
"I believe god made people. but since people used to look similair to monkeys than perhaps adam and eve looked like cavemen"

or in regards to the myers-brigg test
"we can agree no one is perfect- I believe that there was one person who was, Jesus- so not one, except possibly him will get a perfect 50/50. perhaps a 49/51 but not 50/50"

and on one had issue with these statements. he clarified that these were personal beliefs and everyone is entitled to their own views.

Its not my fault you are a person of low morals and self esteem. Stop sleeping with everyone and you won't have to worry about your health.

Jeez, now we are supposed to take instructions from the morally depraved
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Old 02-01-2008, 01:27 PM
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condoms do protect against most STDS. and dental dams protect people during oral sex/oral stimulation. some people use latex gloves for manual stimulation of a partner. and anyone having sex should be tested regulary.
the best thing to do is have your partner tested prior to sex and have them give you a copy of their results before engaging in sexual contact.

no one leaves condoms on desks. when a student needs one they go to where they are being dispenced- typically the nurses office.

the only reason the bible is kept out of public school is because not all students are christian. would you like a Koran pulled out during school?
Yeah, but the problem is that some people don't bother to get tested. I have an issue with people teaching kids that you can wear a condom and have sex all the time. Or, if you take birth control, then your fine. Yes, it could protect you from getting preggy, but what about an STD? Personally, I do not care if they teach sex-ed in public schools. Yet, I want them to show consequences of having sex. Getting preggy in high school...not the best thing to do. Those STDs...some of them can be quite unpleasent.

And no, I have no problem with the Koran. In fact, some Muslims are allowed to have a classroom for themselves to pray. That's fine with me as long as you let the Christians students hold a pray in school [i]during[i] school hours.
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Old 02-01-2008, 01:50 PM
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Yeah, but the problem is that some people don't bother to get tested. I have an issue with people teaching kids that you can wear a condom and have sex all the time. Or, if you take birth control, then your fine. Yes, it could protect you from getting preggy, but what about an STD? Personally, I do not care if they teach sex-ed in public schools. Yet, I want them to show consequences of having sex. Getting preggy in high school...not the best thing to do. Those STDs...some of them can be quite unpleasent.

And no, I have no problem with the Koran. In fact, some Muslims are allowed to have a classroom for themselves to pray. That's fine with me as long as you let the Christians students hold a pray in school [i]during[i] school hours.
true. kids need to be told that sex can also be emotional and you shouldn't have sex until you are physically and mentally ready. a study conducted in my highschool had 100% of 17+ year old students say you couldn't be in a real relationship without sex- NOT TRUE!
its hard to balance telling pregnant teens that their lives aren't over and need to stay in school and get a good job- while ensuring other girls know how hard it is on their classmates with kids.

I think the difference is that muslim students have to pray 5 times a day and christians do not have specific prayer times. but christian students can request kosher food, no meat on fridays (this is not heavly practiced anymore), can wear their religious jewery, and wear ashes of their head during Ash Wednesday.
I went to a public, but predominatly christian school, and I personally didn't see or hear students complaining about their treatment.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:18 PM
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true. kids need to be told that sex can also be emotional and you shouldn't have sex until you are physically and mentally ready. a study conducted in my highschool had 100% of 17+ year old students say you couldn't be in a real relationship without sex- NOT TRUE!
its hard to balance telling pregnant teens that their lives aren't over and need to stay in school and get a good job- while ensuring other girls know how hard it is on their classmates with kids.

I think the difference is that muslim students have to pray 5 times a day and christians do not have specific prayer times. but christian students can request kosher food, no meat on fridays (this is not heavly practiced anymore), can wear their religious jewery, and wear ashes of their head during Ash Wednesday.
I went to a public, but predominatly christian school, and I personally didn't see or hear students complaining about their treatment.
True, I agree.

Yes, but according to our "seperation of church and state" why should it matter if Muslims have to pray five times a day? If you say "No religion!", then you shouldn't make accommodations for a certain religion. Why is that? I personally would not be offended if they had Islam displayed in the hallways of schools, just as long as they had the other religions as well. I go to a university that is very heavily PC. It's ironic to me that they will have posters displaying "Islam Understanding Week" or "Come learn more about Islam" and will have a speaker come to the school to talk about Islam. Yet, nothing about Christianity. I couldn't imagine the outrage if there was a poster that said "Come and let Jesus into your life."
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:53 PM
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True, I agree.

Yes, but according to our "seperation of church and state" why should it matter if Muslims have to pray five times a day? If you say "No religion!", then you shouldn't make accommodations for a certain religion. Why is that? I personally would not be offended if they had Islam displayed in the hallways of schools, just as long as they had the other religions as well. I go to a university that is very heavily PC. It's ironic to me that they will have posters displaying "Islam Understanding Week" or "Come learn more about Islam" and will have a speaker come to the school to talk about Islam. Yet, nothing about Christianity. I couldn't imagine the outrage if there was a poster that said "Come and let Jesus into your life."
seperation of church and state follows the princible that congress shall make no law 'obstructing religion'. and if a school (which is a government-run and mandated facility) obstructs a religion and its people, they are doing something unconstitutional.
as I said- its not about what the students do, its about what the facaulty does. if students are forced by teachers to pray its a violation of church and state- not if the students pray on their own.
even public school have after school bible study (student lead of course)

but 'come let jesus into your life' is a poster about conversion- not education.

frankly the people who try to stretch the meaning of 'speration of church and state' are doing it for their own gain. they want people to think religion is being attacked. some of these people are the ones who say 'christians in american are treated like jews in nazi germany'.
ask someone who lived through the holocaust if christians have it as bad today in america- the answer will be "NO!"

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seperation of church and state follows the princible that congress shall make no law 'obstructing religion'. and if a school (which is a government-run and mandated facility) obstructs a religion and its people, they are doing something unconstitutional.
as I said- its not about what the students do, its about what the facaulty does. if students are forced by teachers to pray its a violation of church and hstate- not if the students pray on their own.
even public school have after school bible study (student lead of course)

but 'come let jesus into your life' is a poster about conversion- not education.

frankly the people who try to stretch the meaning of 'speration of church and state' are doing it for their own gain. they want people to think religion is being attacked. some of these people are the ones who say 'christians in american are treated like jews in nazi germany'.
ask someone who lived through the holocaust if christians have it as bad today in america- the answer will be "NO!"

No, the problem is with the school, faculty, and professors. My problem is that in Wisconsin they have Muslims go into a room alone by themselves for an hour a day...to pray. What kind of BS is that? Once again, I would not have a problem if Christians, Jews, etc would treated on the same level, yet they are not. What about those footbaths that were paid for by taxpayers money in the University of Michigan for Muslims only? Where's our "seperation of church and state?" I want a huge fucking bath paid for by taxpayers so Christians can baptize themselves at the school.

I disagree with you saying that the meaning is that Congress shall make no law "obstructing religion." After years and years of the ACLU getting religion out of school, what makes it right for Muslims to pray during school hours and to have a study bible session after school for other religions? To me, it doesn't matter if they have to pray five times a day. Do it somewhere else. All the sudden, the schools are required to accommodate a certain religion?

What I meant by the poster is that, at my university, if there was a poster for "Christian Awareness Week", there would be outrage. Yet, for some reason, it's okay to educate someone further on Islam. Why? Where's "seperation of church and state" in this instance?
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:01 PM
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Its not my fault you are a person of low morals and self esteem. Stop sleeping with everyone and you won't have to worry about your health.

Jeez, now we are supposed to take instructions from the morally depraved


morals vary person to person. I have quite a few including not judging others and minding my own business. and my self-esteem is not in question.
I never revealed- and won't- the number of partners I have had.
do I detect some jealousy?
perhaps you think I've had more than you could get?
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Its not my fault you are a person of low morals and self esteem. Stop sleeping with everyone and you won't have to worry about your health.

Jeez, now we are supposed to take instructions from the morally depraved
Still cant get laid huh Natahan ?
Sorry to hear that
Check with your butt buddy Dom1 / Monkeyinthemiddle, he /she will get in drag and bend over for ya
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No, the problem is with the school, faculty, and professors. My problem is that in Wisconsin they have Muslims go into a room alone by themselves for an hour a day...to pray. What kind of BS is that? Once again, I would not have a problem if Christians, Jews, etc would treated on the same level, yet they are not. What about those footbaths that were paid for by taxpayers money in the University of Michigan for Muslims only? Where's our "seperation of church and state?" I want a huge fucking bath paid for by taxpayers so Christians can baptize themselves at the school.

I disagree with you saying that the meaning is that Congress shall make no law "obstructing religion." After years and years of the ACLU getting religion out of school, what makes it right for Muslims to pray during school hours and to have a study bible session after school for other religions? To me, it doesn't matter if they have to pray five times a day. Do it somewhere else. All the sudden, the schools are required to accommodate a certain religion?

What I meant by the poster is that, at my university, if there was a poster for "Christian Awareness Week", there would be outrage. Yet, for some reason, it's okay to educate someone further on Islam. Why? Where's "seperation of church and state" in this instance?
the only way to tell if the school you attend (or your children) is giving one religion preference over the other and breaking the first amendment is to ask for something that is crucial to your faith that another faith has as well.
each school is different and run by different people.
as I said, my school let muslim girls wear different gym uniforms and let christians have an after school bible study club. there was no mistreatment of either faith.

now as far as religious awareness- when the KKK (a christian terrorist group) does something wrong, we don't view all christians as people like the klansmen.
but muslims are all blamed because of a few extremeists who hijaked 3 planes on 9/11.
thus there is a need to clarify things.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

if kids can't pray or wear religious symbols and dress, they are being defined their rights for freedom of religion.
I think you may have had some negative experiences. but not every school is like the ones you listed.
the point isn't too take religion away from students, but to make it a personal thing and not school enforcred.
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