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Old 11-07-2007, 01:08 PM
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With Government Money Come Strings
By John Stossel
Wednesday, November 7, 2007


I apologize.
Last week, I wrote enthusiastically about Utah's chance to have school vouchers. By now, we know whether voters said yes or no.
Either way, while a voucher experiment is a good thing, and far superior to a government-run monopoly, I wonder if I wasn't too enthusiastic.
As Sheldon Richman, editor of The Freeman magazine and author of Separating School and State, puts it: "'Public' money going to private schools cannot bode well for the future of those schools. Note that the Utah law requires private schools to give a nationally recognized exam -- one approved by the national education establishment. But he who controls the exam controls the curriculum. Schools will have to teach to the test. That will limit innovation and make the private schools more like the public schools."
Maybe the government can't really create choice affirmatively.
We know that government money comes with strings. Federal highway funds came with requirements for seat-belt laws and 55-mile-per-hour speed limits.
In the 1970s, Grove City College in Pennsylvania was ordered to certify that it complied with Title IX, which outlaws sex discrimination. The private liberal-arts school was not accused of discrimination but nevertheless objected to the order on grounds that it took no federal money. The feds insisted, saying that since some students received federal scholarships, that amounted to an indirect subsidy from the government. Grove City took the case to the U.S. Supreme Court -- and lost.
It would be astounding if the government didn't put conditions on its grants. In fact, not to do so would appear irresponsible. That's a good reason to avoid taking government money in the first place.
Even without direct conditions, government money taints its recipients. Education scholar Charles Glenn wrote in 1989, "For those who believe strongly in religious schooling and fear that government influence will come with public funding, reason exists for their concern. Catholic or Protestant schools in [France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain, Canada, and West Germany] have increasingly been assimilated to the assumptions and guiding values of public schooling. This process does not [even] seem to be the result of deliberate efforts . . . but rather of the difficulty, for a private school playing by public rules, to maintain its distance from the common assumptions and habits of the predominant system".
Once vouchers are widespread, we can expect the education establishment, especially the teachers' unions, to find ways to turn the program to its advantage. It won't have to look far for ideas. Several years ago the New Democrat, published by the Democratic Leadership Council and Progressive Policy Institute (the "moderate" Democrats with whom Bill Clinton has long been associated and an organization started by my brother-in-law), recommended that any voucher program force private schools to admit all children and "meet or exceed specified performance standards to continue receiving taxpayer funds".
The editorial, titled "Counterpunching on Vouchers," stated: "Such an amendment would effectively turn voucher-supported private schools into public charter schools. A public school is not defined by who 'owns' it, but rather by two features: universal access and accountability to the public for results." In other words, voucher money is a foot in the door for the "educrats."
If vouchers contain this potential danger, what can be done to help get kids out of dismal government schools? A better alternative is a tax credit for any parent who pays for private schooling or anyone else who helps put child through non-government schools.
Of course, to us libertarians, the best idea is to separate school and state altogether.
How would parents afford tuition? Well, they'd have more money if they weren't taxed so heavily to pay for incompetently run government schools. Already, many private schools do a better job than government schools for half the cost. Throughout Africa, parents far poorer than Americans pay to send their children to for-profit schools. For Americans who truly lack tuition money, private charity would help, as I do through the wonderful nonprofit, Student Sponsor Partners.
Education is too important to be left to government. The freer parents and entrepreneurs are, the more innovative American schooling will be -- and the more kids will learn.


John Stossel is an award-winning news correspondent and author of Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel--Why Everything You Know is Wrong.
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:50 AM
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I beleive the poor and middle class should get free education through vouchers and flat our free tuition. But the money should be given to the child or stay with the child directly, so he is free to go whatever school he chooses.

The Federal Government wants control it seems. Theyll be damned if our children learn something and start to vote them out of office.
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I beleive the poor and middle class should get free education through vouchers and flat our free tuition. But the money should be given to the child or stay with the child directly, so he is free to go whatever school he chooses.

The Federal Government wants control it seems. Theyll be damned if our children learn something and start to vote them out of office.
That's why we prefer private over public school.
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That's why we prefer private over public school.
I agree with that. I do not like the idea of Schools going beyond the County level of Regulation. I support full privatization of the School Industry. We would get lower costs, better quality and everyone would benefit.

I do reiterate that Vouchers, Free Tuition covered by Gambling Tax or something is the only way I would support it. As a lot of Americans just do not have the money to afford it.


Other than that, I fail to see anyone who would support public Schools, let alone ones that are controlled by a Federal Beauracracy.
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The answer was NO Rob. Both sides of the campaign for vouchers or no vouchers in Utah were evenly funded which leaves it at sum zero influence. In the end, the public decided 'no' in a highly conservative % state. I am not sure what else to say about this.
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Youll find the fucking teacher's "union" marching against anything that would improve quality of Education in this Country. They are against homeschooling even.

The tenacity of them saying a Parent can not teach his or her child as they see fit. They need to go.
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Youll find the fucking teacher's "union" marching against anything that would improve quality of Education in this Country. They are against homeschooling even.

The tenacity of them saying a Parent can not teach his or her child as they see fit. They need to go.
You honestly have a very poor understanding of what teachers unions actually do...
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You honestly have a very poor understanding of what teachers unions actually do...
Well then please explain what the purpose the union has when we are paying to educate our children.
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You honestly have a very poor understanding of what teachers unions actually do...

They are a special interest organization, not a labor union. To say anything to the contrary, is an insult to Organized Labor.
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Well then please explain what the purpose the union has when we are paying to educate our children.
Rob, parents and teachers working together with the child's interest and drive to achieve ACADEMICALLY is how the Children ARE EDUCATED!!!

The Republican Vouchers and NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND sounds good in theory, however, in reality these type of Republican Reforms have proven not to work.
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