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11-05-2007, 07:42 PM
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I would like to see what the syllabus ACTUALLY says. I know when I hand them out to my college students they pick certain things out...I do see a great deal of perspective from the student here (that is fine...but...). And, students don't have great deal of questions after you hand out a syllabus...again, perspective is involved here. Yes, if you do not like burning the flag in any way shape or form then you should probably transfer from this guy’s class...it is still legal though. I had a psychology prof that had some very strange views about marriage but I stayed in the class and...well...whatever...
I got into one of these types of discussions in class this morning that I had to explain to the student after class the specifics of what the lesson was. Being in college is about seeing different things from different angles but also learning the basic rules of a discipline so you can make it work world. Two things go on at once.
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I think this covers what you're asking.
When Grosswiler listed the extra-credit opportunities, McDade said the class of approximately 50 students grew very quiet, and some questioned whether he was serious.
At first, student Kathleen Dame said she thought Grosswiler was joking, but then he went on to explain to the class that burning the flag was not illegal. While Grosswiler approached the topic in a serious manner, Dame said she felt he used it as a tool to educate the class on the First Amendment.
Of course this is just my thoughts, but offering extra credits for burning our Flag doesn't rate very high with me on being Educational.
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11-05-2007, 08:16 PM
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I think this covers what you're asking.
When Grosswiler listed the extra-credit opportunities, McDade said the class of approximately 50 students grew very quiet, and some questioned whether he was serious.
At first, student Kathleen Dame said she thought Grosswiler was joking, but then he went on to explain to the class that burning the flag was not illegal. While Grosswiler approached the topic in a serious manner, Dame said she felt he used it as a tool to educate the class on the First Amendment.
Of course this is just my thoughts, but offering extra credits for burning our Flag doesn't rate very high with me on being Educational.
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Well, good for her---and I totally stand by my earlier comment. You have made my point for me, please supply the syllibus and what it actually says. This is a completely anecdotal comment from this student and there is no fact involved here. Maybe she needs to go to a private university that agrees with her political POV, she has that choice you know: she pays for the tuition. I guess she should have transfered out of the class, huh?
Whether you agree with flag burning or not is superfluous to the point the guy was making. I know profs that have made more offensive comments/syllibi that this...but this is not offensive because you can burn the US flag whether you like it or not (it is legal). I don't ascribe to burning flags myself but it IS legally protected under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. So maybe it is time for this young lady to start a anti-flag burning petition for all 50 states and get that amendment ratified ASAP. Go for it young lady, knock yourself out. We live here, not in Pakistan where the military dictator just called for martial law.
So your point is...?
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11-05-2007, 09:12 PM
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Well, good for her---and I totally stand by my earlier comment. You have made my point for me, please supply the syllibus and what it actually says. This is a completely anecdotal comment from this student and there is no fact involved here. Maybe she needs to go to a private university that agrees with her political POV, she has that choice you know: she pays for the tuition. I guess she should have transfered out of the class, huh?
Whether you agree with flag burning or not is superfluous to the point the guy was making. I know profs that have made more offensive comments/syllibi that this...but this is not offensive because you can burn the US flag whether you like it or not (it is legal). I don't ascribe to burning flags myself but it IS legally protected under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. So maybe it is time for this young lady to start a anti-flag burning petition for all 50 states and get that amendment ratified ASAP. Go for it young lady, knock yourself out. We live here, not in Pakistan where the military dictator just called for martial law.
So your point is...?
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It took you two paragraphs to say you don't believe her, then tell me you know of Profs even more offensive than him. Then go into detail on the Legality of burning our Flag, denying you'd never do it yourself,,,and proceed to bring Pakistan into the conversation. 
My point is: A Prof that offered extra credits for burning our Flag. Legal or not...
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11-06-2007, 11:00 AM
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All you have to do is find a few rightwing folks who have something better than a GED and get them to teach some classes in 18th Century Southern Literature. Then you can stop whining.
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11-06-2007, 04:19 PM
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It took you two paragraphs to say you don't believe her, then tell me you know of Profs even more offensive than him. Then go into detail on the Legality of burning our Flag, denying you'd never do it yourself,,,and proceed to bring Pakistan into the conversation.
My point is: A Prof that offered extra credits for burning our Flag. Legal or not... |
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11-06-2007, 05:28 PM
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Why does it take Liberals forever to get to the point of anything???
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For the most part O/B, I've found the People that talk the most,,,normally have the least to say worth listening to. And that covers both the Political Spectrums.
Take care.
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11-06-2007, 05:50 PM
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I'm still amazed that burning an American flag, on a school campus, is "protected free speech", yet dangling a noose off the tail gate of your truck is "inciting a riot".
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11-06-2007, 05:59 PM
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I'm still amazed that burning an American flag, on a school campus, is "protected free speech", yet dangling a noose off the tail gate of your truck is "inciting a riot".
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Good point Teak...Although if someone tried to burn our Flag in my neck of the woods, that would "incite a riot",,,all over the prepetrators body.
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