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Old 12-16-2007, 12:17 AM
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When has America ever been "all-WASP." There was a reason the Founders came to blows over whether this nation should adopt as its national language, German or English and it had nothing to do with the ACLU.

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America has no official language.


The myth (known as the Muhlenberg Vote) that German was to be the official language of the U.S., but this is inaccurate and based on a failed early attempt to have government documents translated into German.The myth also extends to German being the second official language of Pennsylvania, however, Pennsylvania does not have an official language.
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Old 12-16-2007, 12:21 AM
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So vote for Ron Paul. He will, somehow, overturn all the court decisions that found those actions constitutional. Or maybe he's going to abolish the Supreme Court. Just ask milqueweed, or milqutoast, whatever.
Ron Paul has not realy addressed these issues. The Libertarian National Committee has. Ive supported them longer than Ron Paul, before the election time of recent days. I pretty much considered Ron Paul to be a libertarian Minded Republican. As there are many of them.

It's called the Liberty Caucus or some shit.

Regardless, Private Property is Private Property, regardless of what an unelected politicrat who interprets the Constitution to suit his Two Party Biased opinion on the Constitution is.
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Old 12-16-2007, 12:32 AM
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Ron Paul has not realy addressed these issues.
Sure he has. He just doesn't say how he well deal with them.

This from the RP web site:

"Today, we face a new threat of widespread eminent domain actions as a result of powerful interests who want to build a NAFTA superhighway through the United States from Mexico to Canada.

We also face another danger in regulatory takings: Through excess regulation, governments deprive property owners of significant value and use of their properties — all without paying “just compensation.”

Property rights are the foundation of all rights in a free society. Without the right to own a printing press, for example, freedom of the press becomes meaningless. The next president must get federal agencies out of these schemes to deny property owners their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property."


Maybe he's going to oust the judges.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:55 AM
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It's private property. If I own it, I get to say what I can do with it. If I wish to hire only Asians, or Only whites, Blacks or whomever, it's my right as the owner of the Private Property. Same goes with whome I would serve if I owned a restaurant.

Anything less, assumes you do not have ownership of the property and Government does. So, you surrender the private property to Government control for a small income and get to pay Government there fair share of your work.

It's a vicious cycle that leads to the complete and total annihilation of Private Property ownership.

Government can tell you if you can or can not smoke on your property.
Government can tell you who you can and can not hire to work on your Property.
Government can take your home, and sell it to private developers.



Private Property Rights are fundemental principle of a free society. Without them, it is Marxism.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think that other than the Space Program, just about the only good thing to come out of the 60s and 70s (not counting Zep!!!) is the dismantlng of institutionalized racism in America.

It's a good thing...a darn good thing.

By the way, you are free to refuse to hire or serve this or that person now.

It'd be about the quickest way possible to put yourself out of business as all your competitors have woken up and realized that the money of blacks, Hispanics, Jews, women, etc. is all the same color as that of white males.

THIS by the by, is what drove this change, not the marches and all that stuff.

But change it did, with a kick in the pants from the Republicans (who passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act with virtually NO Dem votes for) in government.

It was time for America to become fully modern, fully civilized and fully intergrated.

And that's just what we did.

A wholly libertarian approach in a large, modern economy is at best folly and more likely foolishness at a level that is laughable. You simply can't have a country like the US as vast as it is and with our population that has virtually no law or regulation when it comes to business, from local to state to national. That's NOT by the way, how this country was set up...

How, for example, would you make agreements with other countries regardin import/export and rights of passage in the sealanes, etc., without a federal gov't speaking for all? Would you have local municipalities doing this on the behalf of some little company that wants to export its widgets to Canada or Europe?

How would that work in a Libertarian World?

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think that other than the Space Program, just about the only good thing to come out of the 60s and 70s (not counting Zep!!!) is the dismantlng of institutionalized racism in America.

It's a good thing...a darn good thing.

By the way, you are free to refuse to hire or serve this or that person now.

It'd be about the quickest way possible to put yourself out of business as all your competitors have woken up and realized that the money of blacks, Hispanics, Jews, women, etc. is all the same color as that of white males.

THIS by the by, is what drove this change, not the marches and all that stuff.

But change it did, with a kick in the pants from the Republicans (who passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act with virtually NO Dem votes for) in government.

It was time for America to become fully modern, fully civilized and fully intergrated.

And that's just what we did.

A wholly libertarian approach in a large, modern economy is at best folly and more likely foolishness at a level that is laughable. You simply can't have a country like the US as vast as it is and with our population that has virtually no law or regulation when it comes to business, from local to state to national. That's NOT by the way, how this country was set up...

How, for example, would you make agreements with other countries regardin import/export and rights of passage in the sealanes, etc., without a federal gov't speaking for all? Would you have local municipalities doing this on the behalf of some little company that wants to export its widgets to Canada or Europe?

How would that work in a Libertarian World?

Tokie


Exactly. If a bussiness refuse to serve or hire people of a certain ethnic background, he will most likely lose bussiness. It makes sound sense to not be racist in your Business practices. I also feel it's a personal choice to do with as you please with your personal property. We can argue back and forth on this for ever, so i'll leave it at that.



To the stuff about Ron Paul. Ron Paul never said anything about what I refer to. He is not very vocal on Property Rights. He is a strict Constitutionalist. He believes in National Soveriegnty, more than anything.

I think we can all agree that Globalism simply pushes people off of rural land and into crowded cities. Rural farmers and land owners are hit the worst in Emminent Domain theft.

A president who would fight that gets my vote.


Regardless of Supreme Court Decisions. My home State has at times considered legislation to stop Federal and State and Local Emminent Domain theft. Many States have that law. If the Feds try to take your land, and build a mexican highway across Texas, you would be in for a long drug out court battle.

In the end, it realy does come down to Property Rights. If Government can take your land, tell you what to do with it. Then charge you money for owning it. Than it's pretty close to socialism.
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Old 12-18-2007, 01:22 PM
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Exactly. If a bussiness refuse to serve or hire people of a certain ethnic background, he will most likely lose bussiness. It makes sound sense to not be racist in your Business practices. I also feel it's a personal choice to do with as you please with your personal property. We can argue back and forth on this for ever, so i'll leave it at that.



To the stuff about Ron Paul. Ron Paul never said anything about what I refer to. He is not very vocal on Property Rights. He is a strict Constitutionalist. He believes in National Soveriegnty, more than anything.

I think we can all agree that Globalism simply pushes people off of rural land and into crowded cities. Rural farmers and land owners are hit the worst in Emminent Domain theft.

A president who would fight that gets my vote.


Regardless of Supreme Court Decisions. My home State has at times considered legislation to stop Federal and State and Local Emminent Domain theft. Many States have that law. If the Feds try to take your land, and build a mexican highway across Texas, you would be in for a long drug out court battle.

In the end, it realy does come down to Property Rights. If Government can take your land, tell you what to do with it. Then charge you money for owning it. Than it's pretty close to socialism.
No argument here. And it's not "pretty close to socialism, " it IS socialism. Or communism.

Six of one, half a billion corpses of the other.

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