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Old 10-25-2007, 08:40 AM
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to spend on educating our youth?
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:45 AM
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The problem I find with educating our youth is that the focus seems to be more indoctrination than learning. Throwing money at education is not the best answer, but changing tactics is I think.

Here is an interesting quote:

Despite good intentions and wishful thinking, the reality of the failure of schools is easily and readily documented. Charles J. Sykes, author of Dumbing Down Our Kids, looks beyond the usual favorite scapegoats of the education establishment-parents, society, and money-to reveal how the schools themselves can no longer evade blame for America's educational decline.

The education reforms of the 1990s are not new. Such ideas, the latest being Outcome-Based Education, "have been tested and retested for decades in thousands of schools. And they have failed." Even 40 years ago, progressive educational philosophy revealed its fundamental denial of absolutes, objective standards, a priori knowledge, and eternal truths. The present, according to educationists, is the only reality worth knowing.

A natural outgrowth of this Postmodern philosophy is the dominant assumption among educationists that children are "frail and easily damaged psychological growths" that need to be liberated from "oppressive" influences such as family, traditional morality, and even conventional spelling and grammar. Literature and history are no longer important guideposts; moral courage, arduous choices, and virtue are useless. Feelings, say the educationists of today, are the only necessary compass.

This emphasis on feelings inevitably means that schools often infringe on the privacy of families, such as courses encouraging children to report on family problems. "America's schools," charges Sykes, "have become backwaters of amateur psychologizing." The school becomes a "village," where children are taught they should turn to the schools' "experts," instead of parents.

Ironically, Americans routinely dismiss mounting evidence, insisting that their own children and local schools are immune to the so-called crisis. All Americans should set aside their doubts and read this penetrating and comprehensive critique of the nation's schools. The education of America's children involves issues that affect every American. "I am convinced," says Sykes, "that the defining cultural and political debates of the decade will center around the so-called school wars, which will be fought out in the elementary, middle, junior high, and high schools."

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Old 10-25-2007, 10:30 AM
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I have to agree. Teaching to the test, such as No Child Left Behind, and mainstreaming children with learning and behavariol problems only cripples our youth in competition with the world.

children should be classified according to ability, as was done in the 1960's, so that children with the same abilities can be challenged and not have children with the lowest abilities be the focal point of concern in the classroom.

Critical reasoning and thinking skills, which were prevalent in the 1960's, have given way to learning what it is you need to know, by memory, and regurgitating it back onto a test. This, IMHO, is neither learning nor education.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:06 AM
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My son has been a teacher for the last four years and is threatening to quit after this year.

There is so much wrong with our schools he would hand you a book on it if you asked. His opinions are that strong.

For starters they have re written history to be PC
kids can't be disciplined anymore for fear of law suits
Parents aren't involved and expect the schools to baby sit and not rock the parents boats .
Administration is concerned with avoiding law suits and not much else.
Teachers throw their hands up and say I can't fight the system.

Still their are schools that are working. Charter schools, Andrie Aggassi the tennis player opened a school that is doing well in Las vegas .

The entire public education system like our federal government needs over hauled completely.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:12 AM
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Without a copy of all agancies, departments and other little goodies we can spend on, how can anyone make a choice on the subject. I doubt if anyone is going to sit down and hash over all available options along with projected income to really balance a damn thing. Just sort of pay as you go, like Christmas, just worry about the debt later.

The best thing is....We the people...let it get this way. We are so cool.
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My priority is for governent to get out of the education business and let the local school boards do their jobs.
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My priority is for governent to get out of the education business and let the local school boards do their jobs.

Well sound like you don't want the Socialists controlling EVERY part of your life. Do you actually mean you think you are smart enough to be sure your kids get a quality education, and you are mature enough to spend the money YOU earn?
Why that doesn't fit cookies, or peaches plan for Socialism.
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What standards would be used? Who would fund the schools? What curriculum would be used and which sources?

What would be the requirements, if any, of graduating? Under what standards would a student from one town be allowed to attend a college in another?

With no coordination of standards to meet with each grade...how would we have employers test to figure out where students are when they graduate with regard to math and reading?
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What standards would be used? Who would fund the schools? What curriculum would be used and which sources?

What would be the requirements, if any, of graduating? Under what standards would a student from one town be allowed to attend a college in another?

With no coordination of standards to meet with each grade...how would we have employers test to figure out where students are when they graduate with regard to math and reading?
I would allow the states to desgin the program and fund it through property taxes and other state funds. The states could agree to send adminstrators to a national committee to insure that requirements are standard across the board. Get the teachers unions out of the loop and lets take care of the future.
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I would allow the states to desgin the program and fund it through property taxes and other state funds. The states could agree to send adminstrators to a national committee to insure that requirements are standard across the board. Get the teachers unions out of the loop and lets take care of the future.
So nationally controlled by the states? Would those paying more property taxes get more money for their schools? Unions can go with teachers to a certain degree...but teachers need to hold the chip of the experts that they are....they are teachers, not the parents. nor the committee...
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