Zero Tolerance Policies

satv365 · #11 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 06:15 AM

Not realy. Especially since he had no intent to use it on someone. Forgot he had it in his car, and he is being charged with a felony.

I find it kind of fascist that you would promote these laws. He didnt have a gun in his locker, didnt carry the knife into school. Matter of fact, he had the knife on personal property, his own car.

Now this kid will have his life ruined because Governmnet needs to make an example out of a good kid who accidently had a 3 inch pocket knife in his car.

Its absurd to think this is fair or even called for. God forbid we let things go when they dont even matter, but this school and the district are pursuing felony charges. These will ruin his life, his academic career all because you and other statists think it's ok for a blatant disregard for the 8th amendment.

Oh yes, this is cruel and unusual punishment.

In Furman v. Georgia (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

* The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
* "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
* "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
* "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

Joe_King · #12 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 07:06 AM

Let's pitch in and help this kid - I just sent a message to Georgia.gov at georgia.gov - Online access to Georgia government.

Let's pull for this kid - come on - the expense to his family, and his life could be ruined with a felony for a little pocket knife?

Come on people join in with me on this - mine was submitted about 6:55am today!

Joe_King · #13 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 07:13 AM

this is the automated response I got: (the *** is my private info)

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With all due respect the issue regarding the Cobb County student facing felony charges for a pocket knife is ILLEGAL and it can ruin a young mans life FOREVER.

Why these KGB tactics?

In Furman v. Georgia (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

* The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
* "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
* "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
* "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

Join in - let us show them the POWER OF THE PEOPLE!

Joe_King · #14 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Not realy. Especially since he had no intent to use it on someone. Forgot he had it in his car, and he is being charged with a felony.

I find it kind of fascist that you would promote these laws. He didnt have a gun in his locker, didnt carry the knife into school. Matter of fact, he had the knife on personal property, his own car.

Now this kid will have his life ruined because Governmnet needs to make an example out of a good kid who accidently had a 3 inch pocket knife in his car.

Its absurd to think this is fair or even called for. God forbid we let things go when they dont even matter, but this school and the district are pursuing felony charges. These will ruin his life, his academic career all because you and other statists think it's ok for a blatant disregard for the 8th amendment.

Oh yes, this is cruel and unusual punishment.

In Furman v. Georgia (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

* The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
* "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
* "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
* "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

thanks for your research - I used it when contacting Georgia.gov!

ChrisXP · #15 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Idiotic, this is about public schools severely and overly harsh punishing a young kid for having a knife in his car. Nothing to do with terrorism, idiot.

The kid in my day would've been tar and feathered once he got home.

What the school could do is nothing, compared to mom and pop waiting on Junior to get home for being a very bad boy.

See, in my day if the teacher said that Johnny was flunking and disrupting class, his dad will beat the living tar out of him. Johnny learned quickly to fear dad more than any cop, too.

Today? Parents would sue the school and make up stupid agendas like making school an armed camp.

The problem today isn't Johnny, it's his damn fucked up parents.

Still Dizzy · #16 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXP

Okay, how about a terrorist "accidently" bringing a knife to the airport. Will you fight for his rights, too?

Terrorists HAVE hijacked airplanes, and crashed into buildings with knives. When exactly did someone crash a school into a building?

ChrisXP · #17 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy

Terrorists HAVE hijacked airplanes, and crashed into buildings with knives. When exactly did someone crash a school into a building?

Don't make wishes, as they may come true.

The Columbine kids were ready to blow their school up, alone. And in that case, again, their parents were absent.

If I had any rifle out on top of my dresser, my dad would've killed me. They don't belong anywhere but in their safe -- unloaded.

Problem is all these types promoting rights, rarely do they promote proper ownership of those rights. It's how kids die, because parents don't teach them what's right and wrong and ensure the kids NEVER forget.

Joe_King · #18 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Partial Post by ChrisXP

Problem is all these types promoting rights, rarely do they promote proper ownership of those rights.

That is a whole different topic and issue.

Come on ... be realistic - we handle our own firearms probably more than you ever handled any personally.

That is like talking about drivers license rights and then say ....

"You have GOT TO stop at a stop sign!"

If you want to understand ... take a hunter safety course
and see what the attitude is in there - by your post I would say that you would be thoroughly impressed with it
if you are honest with yourself!

ChrisXP · #19 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_King

Come on ... be realistic - we handle our own firearms probably more than you ever handled any personally.

Handling longer has no bearing of handling them properly.

Remember being on a rifle team, and in order to qualify you had to pass a 3 page exam on proper use and handling of the rifle. YOU COULD NOT GET ONE QUESTION WRONG to even set foot on the firing range (forget the easier hunting course). Not one "good o' boy" who hunted for years, passed that exam the first time.

That experience showed me that just because someone handled a weapon for 10/20/30 years, doesn't mean he knows how to properly handle it.

It's why families that have weapons, Junior can still get to them and use them to kill them and others.

That's reality.

satv365 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXP

Handling longer has no bearing of handling them properly.

Remember being on a rifle team, and in order to qualify you had to pass a 3 page exam on proper use and handling of the rifle. YOU COULD NOT GET ONE QUESTION WRONG to even set foot on the firing range (forget the easier hunting course). Not one "good o' boy" who hunted for years, passed that exam the first time.

That experience showed me that just because someone handled a weapon for 10/20/30 years, doesn't mean he knows how to properly handle it.

It's why families that have weapons, Junior can still get to them and use them to kill them and others.

That's reality.

Completely off topic. This isnt about terrorism, this isnt about columbine. This is about a kid who accidently brought a 3 inch pocket knife in his car. And is being charged with a felony for it. He didnt bring a gun to school, he didnt have a plot to kill people. He wasnt hijacking, he accidently left a pocket knife in his car, and is being treated like a felon.

I dont care about school violence. I dont care about columbine. I dont care about 911. This is about a kid who accidently left a knife in his car. His punishment is overly harsh, arbitrary, and meant nothing more than to make an example of, for a simple mistake. His life will be ruined because of this, and noone grasps this. They just fucking rant on about hypotheticals and columbine, and terrorism and bullshit.

READ THE GOD DAMN ARTICLE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VIOLENCE, GUNS, TERRORISM, COLUMBINE, A RIFLE TEAM, YOU STUPID IDIOT ASS HOLES!

THIS IS ABOUT A KID BEING RUINED FOR A VERY SMALL THING. BRINGING A 3 INCH POCKET KNIFE IN HIS CAR, AND BEING TREATED LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN.

This isnt about how things where in your day. This isnt about how parents should be disciplining, because its not a discipline issue. It was a pocket knife in his car, and I do beleive they arent illegal to own. He left it in his car and is now being ruined for a simple and very minor infraction that put noone in harms way.

Now his academic life is ruined, he may have a spot on his record that could hurt his chances for getting decent work in his adulthood. For fuck's sake. SHut the hell up about columbine, 911, rifle teams, terrorism and all that shit.

Your wandering off topic to argue a broken argument.