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09-17-2007, 02:13 AM
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So seriously, can one of you answer why colleges in this country are rated so high and K-12 rate low (the problems start at roughly 4th grade though, to be exact)? And the Bush adminstration made the problems worse, not better with 'no child...'.
Riddle me that...try to fix it, load your silver bullet and fire.
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That's easy. The teachers are forced by the No child's behind left to spend the entire year teaching their kids how to be punch monkeys. The kids can't develop how to think because they are basically spending the entire year practicing for the 'test'. The 'test' scores determine the funding for the schools & district & so everyone is scrambling to not teach the kids a damn thing except how to be good little multiple choice bots.
It's horrid & useless.
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09-17-2007, 02:14 AM
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So seriously, can one of you answer why colleges in this country are rated so high and K-12 rate low (the problems start at roughly 4th grade though, to be exact)? And the Bush adminstration made the problems worse, not better with 'no child...'.
Riddle me that...try to fix it, load your silver bullet and fire.
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There are schools here locally that don't even get rated. They're so good, a ranking doesn't do them justice. Colleges just accept that the students fro those schools are better educated than most others. 
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09-19-2007, 01:54 PM
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Practicing for the next test is what students do & will always be doing. I do understand what you are saying as it was explained to me during a orientation with my HS/freshman this year. They did make an emphasis on the “tests” being critical to their diplomas.
I personally feel it has improved the schools in the district I’m in. No more favors, no more recommendation for certain subjects that require pre-requisites will be allowed on mediocre performances. This should be the standard. No more level playing field. I like that. Here, as with many cities the students can start earning HS credits in 7-8th grade and to the counselors and staffs own admission they found that too many students went on to fail multiple subjects. This sets students so far back then lands them in credit recovery classes and/or summer school. Not to mention how this looked on teachers for accrediting the students when they clearly weren’t ready for the new material, so this put them in a real bind.
What do I know, I’m just one parent.?
As for teachers, well this I have no personal knowledge but can defiantly see where Cat is coming from.
I’d be open to new policy that teachers, students and parents are more content with as long as we don’t dummy down.
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09-19-2007, 04:23 PM
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My son is a high school teacher
I know ots of teachers and none of them like no child left behind they all say its just about numbers not educating the kids.
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09-21-2007, 11:56 AM
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At some point, society just has to leave the dumb ones behind.
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09-22-2007, 07:41 AM
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Thompson Criticizes No Child Left Behind
Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:41 PM
Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson said Thursday that President Bush's signature education program isn't working and that he would provide federal education money with fewer strings attached.
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It is working, It is making the future generations of Americans dumber and dumber. What do you think the intentions of such an policy are? Saying that it is not going to make kids smarter is like saying that 2 + 2 = 4......It's obvious and there's nothing to ponder.
Do you actually think that there were good intentions to the No Moron Left Behind policy?
The World Slave Organization puppets have nothing good in store for the population.
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09-22-2007, 10:43 PM
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At some point, society just has to leave the dumb ones behind.
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I dont know if thats the case. Local control and local funding for public schools is what we need for fuck's sake. Where all paying for failing schools in Washington D.C. and Appalachia.
Local Counties and State's if even that far, should fund all the public schools, and the rest should come from donations, and the cut backs the corvette driving administrators can graciously deal with...
Federal Funding and Federal Control ruined our schools. It is time to work towards privatization finaly.
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09-23-2007, 01:32 AM
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I dont know if thats the case. Local control and local funding for public schools is what we need for fuck's sake. Where all paying for failing schools in Washington D.C. and Appalachia.
Local Counties and State's if even that far, should fund all the public schools, and the rest should come from donations, and the cut backs the corvette driving administrators can graciously deal with...
Federal Funding and Federal Control ruined our schools. It is time to work towards privatization finaly.
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Ever notice education took a crap dive when the Dept of Education was created during Carter's administration?
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09-23-2007, 07:46 AM
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Point blank......the whole idea of the "No Child Left Behind" policy is to refrain kids from learning basic skills at desirable achievement levels in which served well for many years in America.
We may as well call it the "No Education" policy. Yet another great present to America from an asshole of a president and the other shit head politicians whom have backed him.
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09-24-2007, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by satv365
I dont know if thats the case. Local control and local funding for public schools is what we need for fuck's sake. Where all paying for failing schools in Washington D.C. and Appalachia.
Local Counties and State's if even that far, should fund all the public schools, and the rest should come from donations, and the cut backs the corvette driving administrators can graciously deal with...
Federal Funding and Federal Control ruined our schools. It is time to work towards privatization finaly.
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Ummmm hello ????
There was ZERO federal curriculum or regulation of public schools UNTIL Bush imposed it with NCLB
Standardized tests are bullshit, the prove and teach nothing. No child left behind is designed to produce no brained zombies, and false results as teachers are forced to “teach to the test”
The 'trouble with public schools" ?
Most are run by slack jawed yokels on local school boards, headed by hicks who sell paint at the hardware store , and funded by the Polo shirt hushpuppy crowd who breed 5 kids, but balk every time a book needs to be replaced
What we need is a multi tier diploma system free of stigma, with variable curriculum tailored to a students needs and aptitudes, but a national uniform format
Kids in Mississippi don’t need to learn the same things as kids in NY city ?
Umm...yes they do
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