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Old 07-15-2007, 09:16 PM
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true hard work and persistance can reap great rewards but that does not always work the hurdles of corruption , racism , reverse racism , and just out and out bs. makes it almost imposable there are a lot of americans with degrees that are not employed or working at burger king that valadates this and to say they don't try hey they are go getters had to be just to get that degree. There is the fact that america has also allowed it easier to get small buisness loans , higher education price breaks yada yada yada for immagrants than if you are born an American and lived here your whole life. Or you can just be a criminal. You Know when I was in collage in california we had a guy in our class big buff dood we all got talking one day come to find out he was on a prison release program and getting it all free education , housing , money for food, shit I agree we should educate so they have the oportunity to be a viable part of society but were is my fucking break I just got out of the service with 13 personal awards 3 medals one the navy achievment and the best I could get is the GI bill that paid 300 dollars a month and 1200 dollar pale grant that was a one time deal what the fuck is up with that. I had to work and go through pre med. not fair to make this asumtion with a blanket statement blue

Thank's for the support on this issue 36shadow If this post does anything for me, it affirms the fact the most people formulate their own opinions or affirm or deny them in one to two sentences. I don't think anyone read the article associated with the link I provided, based on the responses.

All things equal, let the "Human Race" begin, DITTO on your point!
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:23 PM
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Yes and those that can't teach work for the government.
First and foremost I can't believe that those in this forum would suggest that being an educater is not a legitimate profession. I know a lot of teachers, believe me they work there asses off! They teach, because they choose to teach. If you believe in the logic your proposing, where headed towards, or are already facing disaster.
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:27 PM
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I am not denying my own existence and I have moved up in the socio-economic ladder during my life. I know others who grew up with little money and they are doing quite fine now. They prove you wrong by moving up into a different economic class. In addition, there are a lot of people in college who do not come from money who will do quite well also. They will also prove you wrong. There are thousands upon thousands of success stories out there that prove you wrong. Since you can't figure it out does not mean that nobody else can't figure out how to move upwards in socio-economic levels.

If you want to be credible in this forum, I believe I can speak for the rest of us that choose to debate here. Follow the rules REGISTER!
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:50 PM
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And just what protects this society....is it their superior military....no it is the placing of their very existence into the hands of their surrounding neighbors....one day...a jester that might come back to bite them on the proverbial ass.....they have all that you mentioned due to their placements of priorities...secular and often times at the expense of the innocent...and as said...they depend upon the goodness of others not to breech their neutral status...as they sure as heck can not protect themselves after wasting all their funds on social needs and the pleasures of this life....they have a far inferior military.....thus that is why they are in fact neutral....always making appeasements to the likes of Hitler and the rest of the worlds despots.....you could in fact choose to live there...if you can stand the hypocrisy that abounds. BD
There Foreign policy protects this society. They are not secular but predominatly Lutheran. They don't have a superior military because of their neutral status. As far as hypocracy, what are you talking about? Moreover, prior to WWII the United States was neutral or "isolationalist".
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We need to go back and learn CIVICS in H.S.----make civics mandatory your sophomore , junior, and senior years!

Also make civics mandatory as electives for freshmens and sophmores at the college level.

We the people need to get educated on how the process and politics work in this country.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:17 PM
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Dear Concerned Citizen, by Dinesh D'Souza

The conventional wisdom is that immigrants come to America for one reason: to make money. It is endlessly conveyed in the "rags to riches" literature on immigrants, and it is reinforced by America's critics, who think America buys the affection of immigrants by promising to make them filthy rich. But this Horatio Alger narrative is woefully incomplete; indeed, it misses the real attraction of America to immigrants, and to people around the world. It misses why the pilgrims came here nearly four hundred years ago, and why we celebrate Thanksgiving each year.


There is enough truth in the conventional account to give it a surface plausibility. Certainly America offers a degree of mobility and opportunity unavailable elsewhere, not even in Europe. Only in America could Vinod Khosla, the son of an Indian army officer, become a shaper of the technology industry and a billionaire to boot. America's greatness is that it has extended the benefits of affluence, traditionally available to the privileged few, to a large segment in society. America is a country where "poor" people have television sets and microwave ovens, where maids drive rather nice cars, where plumbers take their families on vacation to Europe.

In India, I was accustomed to mind-numbing inefficiency, and multi-layered corruption. I arrived in America to discover, to my wonder and delight, that everything works! The roads are clean and paper smooth, the highway signs are clear and accurate, the public toilets function properly, and when I picked up the telephone I got a dial tone. I could even buy things from the store and then take them back. I found America full of numerous unappreciated inventions; quilted toilet paper, fabric softener, cordless phones, disposable diapers, and roll-on luggage.

So, yes, in material terms America offers the newcomer such as myself a better life. Still, the material allure of America does not capture the deepest source of its appeal. Recently I asked myself how my life would have been if I had not come to America. I was raised in a middle-class family in India. I didn't have luxuries, but I didn't lack necessities. Materially, my life is better in the US, but it is not a fundamental difference. My life has changed far more dramatically in other ways.


Had I remained in India, I would probably live my entire existence within a five-mile radius of where I was born. I would undoubtedly have married a woman of my identical religious and socioeconomic background. I would face relentless pressure to become an engineer, a doctor, or a computer programmer. My socialization would have been almost entirely within my ethnic community. I world have a whole set of opinions that could be predicted in advance. In sum, my destiny would, to a large degree, have been given to me.


In America, my life has broken free of these traditional confines. At Dartmouth College, I became interested in literature and switched my major to the humanities. Soon I developed a fascination with politics, and resolved to become a writer, which is something you can make a living doing in America, and which is not easy to do in India. I married a woman of English, Scotch-Irish, French and German ancestry. Eventually I found myself working in the White House, even though I was not an American citizen. I cannot imagine any other country allowing a non-citizen to work in its inner citadel of government.


In most of the world, even today, your identity and your fate are largely handed to you. This is not to say that you have no choice, but it is choice within given parameters. In America, by contrast, you write the script of your own life: what to be, where to live, whom to love, whom to marry, what to believe, what religion to practice.

Some critics, both in America and abroad, have noted that this freedom to shape one's own life is a mixed blessing. Freedom can be used well or badly. Some Americans do indeed make mistakes with freedom as the country's high divorce and illegitimacy rates suggest. These are unfortunate social trends, but we should remember that while freedom allows vice its scope, it also gives greater luster to virtue.


Those who have tasted the exhilaration of freedom - which entails responsibility for one's own choices and one's own life - can hardly imagine living in any other system. The core American idea is the "pursuit of happiness", which means that happiness is not a guarantee, but that in America you have a chance to find it for yourself. No wonder that so many young people through out the world are magnetically attracted to what America represents: they find irresistible the prospect of being in the driver's seat of their lives.


Like the pilgrims, the immigrant discovers that America permits him to break free of the constraints that have him captive, so that the future becomes a landscape of his own choosing. For this freedom, I am truly grateful.

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