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View Poll Results: Should the US government intervene in our economy?
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Yes, the govt. should intervene to "help" our businesses along the right path.
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No. Laissez faire means laissez faire. Keep government out of our lives!
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06-09-2007, 03:56 AM
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The American economic divide that is drawing illegals. Do we support reform?
Someone in the Senate brought this up which I think is very interesting.
a) The guest worker program and the influx of illegals only benefits American business profits. More workers, legal or illegal = competition for jobs = downward pressure on wages = higher profits for companies. So it is US businesses allied with illegal immigrants vs US workers.
b) If American businesses stopped paying their CEOs and higher ups such big bonuses, stopped working so inefficiently, streamline their budgets and margins they would be able to afford American workers rather than cheaper foreign workers, even for "JAWD" (jobs Americans won't do).
-Whether you like it or not, the reality is that we have "JAWD". But we want Americans to fill those jobs, even if it means higher cost to American businesses. Just because they are used to cheap foreign labor doesn't make it right. We are breaking our dependence on foreign oil, becoming more self-sustaining with fuel, why not do the same with our economy?
So the question is, do you support the government intervening in the economy so that businesses start to lean more towards US workers?
It's a tough choice. It goes against small government principles, laissez faire economic policies, but it helps get this part of our economy back on its feet. It's own feet, not the feet of cheap foreign labor, in Indian call-centers and on our soil.
Things the government can do:
-Give incentives to companies who look for American workers
-Tax companies who look for foreign workers.
-Encourage workers to stick with jobs, even if they are menial, by doing things such as increasing the minimum wage.
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06-09-2007, 04:21 AM
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Are Americain companies worth saving? Why are there more people on here during work hours? Do we sell ourselves as a viable work force?
And our products.....I spent 1/2 an hour trying to start my XBOX360, It keeps saying to play disk put it in an Xbox360..???? My regular Xbox had simular problems, as did my Playstation 2. My Ford SHO went through 3 transmission chips in 4 mos.
Where does the preasure come from on these companies to lower cost and inflate profit on low quality devices?
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06-09-2007, 02:56 PM
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my guess is the ford sho chips are manufactured somewhere in ASIA. now it could be the software in those chips that are the problem but do you really know who is writing, reviewing, testing, and validating that software????
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06-11-2007, 03:54 PM
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Jiggles, please identify the jobs that americans won't do...A list would do fine.
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06-11-2007, 06:20 PM
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Quote:
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Jiggles, please identify the jobs that americans won't do...A list would do fine.
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Construction, textiles, meatpacking, agriculture, hospitality, manufacturing, and a number of other industries that I'm having trouble recalling hold jobs that at the going wage/turnover/nature of work attract too few Americans to be able to sustain the industries in question, necessitating dependence on foreign labor.
This is according to the industries themselves, which means there will be some inherent bias.
But there you have it. That's the big business interests in the GOP at work.
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06-11-2007, 07:05 PM
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Could you provide percentages of illegal aliens in total work force for the jobs you posted?
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06-11-2007, 08:10 PM
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Could you provide percentages of illegal aliens in total work force for the jobs you posted?
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Gathering any statistical information on illegal aliens is difficult for obvious reasons. Most people rely on estimates based on surveys and other methods.
Most articles rely on studies done by the Department of Labor, the USDA and other government agencies, which lends them some credence in my view.
You might want to check them out for more detailed information.
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06-11-2007, 08:17 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19079624/
What’s a CEO worth? Millions ... and then some
Half of S&P 500 leaders made more than $8.3 million in pay, stocks, perks
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06-22-2007, 06:31 AM
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thats unamerican
Lobs Americans won’t do… You realize how moronic that sounds right? It wasn’t an illegal that started that trade here in the states, it was an American, there is no job that Americans won’t do. There are certain jobs that certain Americans won’t fill sure, but there is always someone that will do the job.
Hell, id never be a school teacher, just like lots of people wouldn’t be a soldier – like me.
There is a problem with your idea about having the government regulate American businesses. All that regulation costs money. So does the incentives you mentioned. As does increasing the minimum wage. You do realize where that money will come from right? Taxes. In other words, it’s my money, yours, your mom, my mom, our friends and everyone that pays taxes. That sounds like a wonderful idea.
And do you understand what a CEO is? There is a reason he is the CEO. It’s his business and this is a free country, he can do as he likes. If you want to dissuade companies from hiring illegals, then focus on the real problem, the illegals.
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06-22-2007, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 21yroldmillionaire
Lobs Americans won’t do… You realize how moronic that sounds right? It wasn’t an illegal that started that trade here in the states, it was an American, there is no job that Americans won’t do. There are certain jobs that certain Americans won’t fill sure, but there is always someone that will do the job.
Hell, id never be a school teacher, just like lots of people wouldn’t be a soldier – like me.
There is a problem with your idea about having the government regulate American businesses. All that regulation costs money. So does the incentives you mentioned. As does increasing the minimum wage. You do realize where that money will come from right? Taxes. In other words, it’s my money, yours, your mom, my mom, our friends and everyone that pays taxes. That sounds like a wonderful idea.
And do you understand what a CEO is? There is a reason he is the CEO. It’s his business and this is a free country, he can do as he likes. If you want to dissuade companies from hiring illegals, then focus on the real problem, the illegals.
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Welcome to AWE. It is good that people your age are intrested in helping others by serving your country.
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