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01-16-2007, 09:34 AM
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Thanks Bush and Greenspan, great job. Next the peso will take over the dollar. Or is thi sby design?????AMERO??????
Euro displaces dollar in bond markets
By David Oakley and Gillian Tett in London
Published: January 14 2007 22:08 | Last updated: January 14 2007 22:08
The euro has displaced the US dollar as the world’s pre-eminent currency in international bond markets, having outstripped the dollar-denominated market for the second year in a row.
The data consolidate news last month that the value of euro notes in circulation had overtaken the dollar for the first time. Outstanding debt issued in the euro was worth the equivalent of $4,836bn at the end of 2006 compared with $3,892bn for the dollar, according to International Capital Market Association data.
Outstanding euro-denominated debt accounts for 45 per cent of the global market, compared with 37 per cent for the dollar. New issuance last year accounted for 49 per cent of the global total.
That represents a startling turnabout from the pattern seen in recent decades, when the US bond market dwarfed its European rival: as recently as 2002, outstanding euro-denominated issuance represented just 27 per cent of the global pie, compared with 51 per cent for the dollar.
The rising role of the euro comes amid growing issuance by debt-laden European governments. However, the main factor is a rise in euro-denominated issuance by companies and financial institutions.
One factor driving this is that European companies are moving away from their traditional reliance on bank loans – and embracing the capital markets to a greater degree.
Another is that the creation of the single currency in 1999 has permitted development of a deeper and more liquid market, consolidated by a growing eurozone.
This has made it more attractive for issuers around the world to raise funds in the euro market. And, more recently, the trend among some Asian and Middle Eastern countries to diversify their assets away from the dollar has further boosted this trend.
René Karsenti, executive president of ICMA, said: “It is the stable interest rates in Europe that have helped and the fact that [the euro] has strengthened and shown resilience.”
Since the start of 2003, the European Central Bank’s main interest rate has fluctuated only 1.5 percentage points, ranging from a low of 2 per cent in the middle of that year to 3.5 per cent, its rate today. Bush has erased everything my grandfathers fought for, how could you still like this guy???
In comparison, the Fed funds rate, the main US interest rate, has fluctuated 4.25 percentage points, ranging from 1 per cent in the middle of 2003 to 5.25 per cent, its level today. The euro has also risen to trade around $1.30 against the dollar, from around parity three years ago. Sterling issuance has grown in the past three years, reinforcing its attraction as a niche currency among some investors. The yen, in comparison, has fallen out of favour.
Overall, international capital markets have doubled in size in terms of bond issuance during the past six years.
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/572b41a6-a41...0779e2340.html
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YES....its all by design.....see "the coming finacial meltdown" section of "Behold a Pale Horse"...by William Cooper....ex-military inteligence of both army and navy:-)
You'll see what a bunch of ass-clowns we've been made:-(.....hope it makes you mad enough to want to HANG politicians:-)
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01-16-2007, 10:21 AM
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And, every industrialized country prints fiat currency. If we didn't have a flexible currency we wouldn't be able to grow as an economy because money is a capital good, and strictly fixed, irreplacible capital goods means a fixed amount of production forever.
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Then why is the dollar losing value.
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01-16-2007, 10:32 AM
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This has nothing to do with Bush, and EVERYTHING to do with the american insatiable appetite with credit and overspending.
Someone else on here said it best as well, our appetite with cheap, foreign made goodies....we are our own worst enemy!!
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This is not 100% true. Many Americans have maxed out credit cards to pay for medical bills, people pay for food and groceries on credit, student loan debt is high (Universities can set their own tuition, and boy do they!) That whole appetite for cheap foreign made goods is flawed, hardly anything is even made in America anymore if one even wanted to buy it. It is sad to blame the American people for something that is not their fault, we have been pushed into being a debtor nation, we don't want to, but that is the system in place so we are a part of it. Your argument is like blaming American for the price of oil by saying that we are hooked on oil, no our Govt. is hooked on big oil money, give us an alternative.
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01-16-2007, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Lookagain
YES....its all by design.....see "the coming finacial meltdown" section of "Behold a Pale Horse"...by William Cooper....ex-military inteligence of both army and navy:-)
You'll see what a bunch of ass-clowns we've been made:-(.....hope it makes you mad enough to want to HANG politicians:-)
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I liked his section on price shocking, that is what the oil companies are doing. Set gas at say $3.00 for saeveral months, then as if magic it is down to $2.12, so now they can safley put it back to $2.70 becuase you will pay it and hey, it is less than $3.00, right?
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01-17-2007, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Spitty
This is not 100% true. Many Americans have maxed out credit cards to pay for medical bills, people pay for food and groceries on credit, student loan debt is high (Universities can set their own tuition, and boy do they!) That whole appetite for cheap foreign made goods is flawed, hardly anything is even made in America anymore if one even wanted to buy it. It is sad to blame the American people for something that is not their fault, we have been pushed into being a debtor nation, we don't want to, but that is the system in place so we are a part of it. Your argument is like blaming American for the price of oil by saying that we are hooked on oil, no our Govt. is hooked on big oil money, give us an alternative.
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Is the government PART of the problem?? Of course. But when you say our government is hooked on big oil, I say the opposite and point to the fact that I do not see americans rushing to dealerships to purchase a vehicle like the Toyota Prius. I DO see americans still rushing to dealerships to eventually purchase that Chevy Tahoe, you know, the type of vehicle that environmentalists hate. That isn't the government's fault....
It isn't sad when I pass a Wal Mart and see that it is packed to the rafters with AMERICAN shoppers, looking at products that we know are foreign made. That isn't the government's fault....
Yeah, you do have a large number of americans using their cards to pay down medical bills, tuition and such. But let's not kid ourselves, and let's begin to take some responsibility here as citizens, and realize that we are part and parcell to the problem.
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01-17-2007, 08:29 PM
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Americans aren't into saving and paying cash for major purchases. It is too easy to charge it and pay min payments for the rest of your life.
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01-17-2007, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gdfather02
This has nothing to do with Bush, and EVERYTHING to do with the american insatiable appetite with credit and overspending.
Someone else on here said it best as well, our appetite with cheap, foreign made goodies....we are our own worst enemy!!
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We are a nation that no longer produces anything!!! Also, yes we over spend with credit cards, the Bush Administration needs to take accountability for theif fiscal irresponsibility, as well as Corporate America. There's enough blame to go around. Our foreign trade imbalance, and national debt is growing and countries like China, Japan, and Saudia Arabia own our debt.
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01-17-2007, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN
We are a nation that no longer produces anything!!! Also, yes we over spend with credit cards, the Bush Administration needs to take accountability for theif fiscal irresponsibility, as well as Corporate America. There's enough blame to go around. Our foreign trade imbalance, and national debt is growing and countries like China, Japan, and Saudia Arabia own our debt.
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Rasta, yes there is enough blame to go around, but as a citizen we can change our spending habits, and demand goverment do the same.
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01-17-2007, 09:07 PM
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I beleive everyone is over thinking and just parrot talking what you have been told...... The reason behind the Euro was to bring countries of europe closer and tie there economy on a scale where they would be able to compete with the united states japan and then up and coming China and india fiscaly. dollar for dollar euro for euo etc
1 United States 12,310,000
— European Union 12,180,000
2 China 8,883,000
3 Japan 4,025,000
4 India 3,666,000
5 Germany 2,480,000
6 United Kingdom 1,818,000
7 France 1,794,000
8 Italy 1,667,000
9 Russia 1,584,000
10 Brazil 1,536,000
11 Canada 1,111,000
12 South Korea 1,101,000
13 Mexico 1,064,000
14 Spain 1,033,000
15 Indonesia 869,700
16 Australia 635,500
17 Republic of China (Taiwan) 630,000
18 Turkey 584,500
19 Iran 569,900
20 Thailand 550,200
as you can see the GDP of the world countries the europpean union is tide with the united states. It is of no suprise that the world bond markets have adjusted to where they are now...... That is the free market and considering that the GDP are almost the same........................this stat is as much of a no news item as rasta complaining about bush.....
there is nothing to see heer folks. Just libbs playing economics..
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01-17-2007, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN
We are a nation that no longer produces anything!!! Also, yes we over spend with credit cards, the Bush Administration needs to take accountability for theif fiscal irresponsibility, as well as Corporate America. There's enough blame to go around. Our foreign trade imbalance, and national debt is growing and countries like China, Japan, and Saudia Arabia own our debt.
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Yes, you are correct, the federal government as a whole needs to be held accountable for fiscal irresponsibility. To place the complete problem on this president is somewhat dubious; Americans saving money and credit card debt and trade imbalances (especially with China) were issues before Bush came into the White House, and I would venture to say that whomever occupies the White House in 2008 and beyond will continue to sit by and do nothing.
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