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01-14-2007, 01:23 PM
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Well, I'm going to be a History teacher and am about to get my History degree and I'm telling you, light or not, history is written down. And Bush will be characterized one way or another.
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01-14-2007, 01:25 PM
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I won't be teaching hate, when teaching about GWB I'll be teaching about the mistakes of history.
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AHH.......the mistakes of History..........from what perspective or perception????
PERCEPTION verses KNOWLEDGE
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01-14-2007, 01:30 PM
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Here is a list of the states that have a higher minimum wage then the Federal government. Each of these states had a vote where the issue of raising the minimum wage was on the ballot and, of course, it passed. Check and see if you can find the Democratic States and then check the Republican States.
- Alaska
- Hawaii
- Washington
- Oregon
- California
- Nevada
- Arizona
- Montana
- Colorado
- Minnesota
- Wisconson
- Missouri
- Arkansas
- Illinois
- Ohio
- Pennsylvania
- New York
- North Carolina
- Maine
- Delaware
- Rhode Island
- Florida
- Massechusetts (sp)
There are a couple more, but I think you get the idea. Florida - Arizona - Ohio - Missouri and a few others are not considered "Democratic strongholds." So your statement doesn't really have a lot backing it up. Because it's not just the Democrats, but Republicans are also on board with this.
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Dead, so why do these states have a higher minuim wage than the rest of the country? I will tell why, it was brought up as a state question and each states citizens voted on it. This question is a state issue and not a federal issue. The federal goverment needs to stay out of states business.
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01-14-2007, 01:41 PM
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Dead, so why do these states have a higher minuim wage than the rest of the country? I will tell why, it was brought up as a state question and each states citizens voted on it. This question is a state issue and not a federal issue. The federal goverment needs to stay out of states business.
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The problem, rob, is that some states will NEVER bring that issue up. Everyone deserves a fair wage. Don't you agree?
Do you really feel that $5.15/hr is a livable wage?
gix, what's wrong with being a teacher? Why is that a "lib" thing? Most people I know look at teaching as a noble profession, it's not for you I see.
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01-14-2007, 02:12 PM
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The problem, rob, is that some states will NEVER bring that issue up. Everyone deserves a fair wage. Don't you agree?
Do you really feel that $5.15/hr is a livable wage?
gix, what's wrong with being a teacher? Why is that a "lib" thing? Most people I know look at teaching as a noble profession, it's not for you I see.
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Deadshot, first off I think that everyone does deserve to be able to earn an income that will support them and their family. I have said this many times that entry level positions always pay on the low end. A person starting out in the work force with little or no skills has to start somewhere. As they learn and build a work record, then they will move up. If they improve themselves and the present employer can't or won't give this person a raise, then he can move to another job. Min wage is designed to give a starting point.
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01-14-2007, 02:23 PM
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Deadshot, first off I think that everyone does deserve to be able to earn an income that will support them and their family. I have said this many times that entry level positions always pay on the low end. A person starting out in the work force with little or no skills has to start somewhere. As they learn and build a work record, then they will move up. If they improve themselves and the present employer can't or won't give this person a raise, then he can move to another job. Min wage is designed to give a starting point.
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rob, in a perfect world that'd be the way it'd work. But it's not. Here's a link that quotes a U.S. Census source, 42% of households make less then $25K a year
Income range ** Number of households (in thousands) **Percent Cumulative percentages
Under $2,500 **8,635** 4.50
$2,500 to $4,999** 4,696** 2.45
$5,000 to $7,499** 9,038** 4.71
$7,500 to $9,999** 8,929** 4.65
$10,000 to $12,499** 10,334** 5.38
$12,500 to $14,999** 8,347** 4.35
$15,000 to $17,499** 9,365** 4.88
$17,500 to $19,999** 7,129** 3.71
$20,000 to $22,499** 9,275** 4.83
$22,500 to $24,999** 6,255** 3.26
less than $25k - 42.72%
So according to the Census, even if both people work earning $10.30/hr (Minimum Wage X 2) would earn $21424 a year (10.30 X 2080). That means that, approx., more then 39% of Adults, not just entry level workers, make Minimum Wage or less. That just not right.
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01-14-2007, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Deadshot
The problem, rob, is that some states will NEVER bring that issue up. Everyone deserves a fair wage. Don't you agree?
Do you really feel that $5.15/hr is a livable wage?
gix, what's wrong with being a teacher? Why is that a "lib" thing? Most people I know look at teaching as a noble profession, it's not for you I see.
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One of the problems though Deadshot is determining what is a livable wage. Most (including me) think $5.15/hr isn't. But what is? The more insulting liberal types in Washington think $7+/hr. is a fair, livable wage. How would they know? This number is insulting.
Another question then pops up. Do skilled labor and union labor get a commensurate increase relative to minimum wage? Skilled labor should be worth more than unskilled, entry level labor shouldn't it? I haven't read this thread about teachers but I think it's a noble profession. Should it be paid a livable wage, or what it's worth? In other words, if the minimum wage is raised bringing entry level wages closer to that of teachers...are teachers correct in wanting more money to keep them x-amount of dollars above minimum wage? Just curious. Good thread.
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01-14-2007, 04:26 PM
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Well, I'm going to be a History teacher and am about to get my History degree and I'm telling you, light or not, history is written down. And Bush will be characterized one way or another.
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He will be characterized both ways because we cannot eliminate our own personal bias from what we teach. |
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