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Old 01-07-2007, 08:37 PM
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It seems to me that the majority of business's starting up in the last 10 years or so are service releated industries. That is not to make light of them but most manufacturing jobs are no longer in this country. I wonder how we get them back without someone saying it is corporate welfare.
There was report on this about three days ago and there was not conclusive evidence that there is a cummulative positive or negative. What they did say is that people that have no education will NOT do well in the future.
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Old 01-07-2007, 09:21 PM
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There was report on this about three days ago and there was not conclusive evidence that there is a cummulative positive or negative. What they did say is that people that have no education will NOT do well in the future.
well here in Oklahoma, we have a great Vo-Tech program that allows people to getting training in different fields that will get them started in some fields.
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well we gave one example. As far a manufacturing jobs that are mainly blue coler jobs will be effected. The few remaining business that have decided to stay in this country and squeze and cut every penny and nickel to do so.
I don't disagree with your motivation. I just don't believe that it is anything more than empty rhetoric talking about outsourcing and jobs moving overseas.

I agree that there are problems. Overall though I think that, and it is empirically possible to show, that the US has the best economy right now in the history of this country.

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Will be faced with two decisions. Close up shop. Or move production overseas.

This is called a false dichotomy.

I can think of at least one other choice: free up the labor markets.

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The only reason the manufacturers that haven't left over the last 10 or so years is the lower rate of a dollar compared to other currancy's.
The exchange rate has NOTHING to do with labor.

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The argument that i hear from democrats and libs is that we are loosing our manufacturing base and we are loosing jobs. Well i will tell you what. Raise the minimum wage. And what hasn't left already will most likely leave....

Manufacturing jobs don't pay minimum wage so raising it won't impact manu-jobs.
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Old 01-08-2007, 12:29 AM
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I don't disagree with your motivation. I just don't believe that it is anything more than empty rhetoric talking about outsourcing and jobs moving overseas.

I agree that there are problems. Overall though I think that, and it is empirically possible to show, that the US has the best economy right now in the history of this country.
you are right about the US economy. It is at it's greatest point in anytime in history. Shame that the general public doesn't know this. And as far as rhetoric i dont see as this.

I have colleges of mine that have experienced the
negetative effects of involentary labor cost increases. And i will be honest with you a few of them decided it wasn't worth it anymore and closed there doors. And a couple of them teamed together outsourced the production and are doing good business. The cost of doing business is so expensive in the states but on the other hand it's the place where you will get the highest possible return for your investment when it comes to selling to the general public as the cheif consumer.



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This is called a false dichotomy.

I can think of at least one other choice: free up the labor markets.
you may see it as a false dichotmoy and yes there are other resolutions and ways that are unique to every individual business and industry. i am just giving. And as far as freeing up labor markets. This is easier said then done.

If labor wasn't such a big deal then why do we see all the big box stores installing the automated checkout lanes.


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The exchange rate has NOTHING to do with labor.
no it doesn't but its a direct projector of US goods and there price points in foreign lands and foreign goods on our shores. It does play a role.


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Manufacturing jobs don't pay minimum wage so raising it won't impact manu-jobs.
most of them dont. allote of assemply jobs do depending on what part of the country you are. But raise the minimum wage puts upward pressure on all
wages. In a organizaton where a low skilled job aproaches the level of compensation of the lowest level skill job it puts pressure on the semi skilled workers to ask for raises. Usually the raise is given or the person quites to aquire a minimum wage job that requires less work and almost the same amount of pay......If they do get a raise it puts pressure on the nest teer of compenstation and so forth and so on. It may not be linear but dont expect to have a minimum wage increase without having to raise your overall payroll. Maybee not in the same percentage of the orginal minimum wage increase but there will be upward movement.
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well here in Oklahoma, we have a great Vo-Tech program that allows people to getting training in different fields that will get them started in some fields.
The state of Texas did this too. While I lived there they created a big intitiative at the CC level to train people for 'clean rooms' for Motorola, Samsung, TI, Dell, and many other places that have found homes in Texas (Vo Tech degree). The area aroud Austin is fast becoming the 'silicon valley of the Southwest.' These are types of intiatives state and local governments need to be very aggresive about.
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