How can you own water? It's always moving and flowing, and what's in the water constantly changes also, I understand that they want to claim a section of the river for their use only, but to me you can only own things that are constant.

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The people in the British Isles used to own their rivers too. Now they are owned by the rich. I'm not suprised to see this come to America. No country treats it's rich better. The beaches used to belong to the people too. Now only the wet sand is public, which does no one any good because you can't get past private property to reach the wet sand.
Where I live we are trying to stop development on the dunes that will close off access, and destroy the veiw. If you know of any orginazation that could help us fight them , I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. This land is my land.

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Nathan : You might research before posting baselss accusations and LIES. It was A REPUBLICAN lawmaker who tried to change Oregon Law to benefit (not a yuppie as you claimed) but a wealthy private landowner to block access to some rivers. Maybe you should attempt to consider research and facts before posting your threads.

You just made a fool of yourself and the party you represent. No I do not think all republicans are devious but the one who tried to pull this on the fisherman was. Again as in most of your threads you start on "Oregon" You are totally offbase! You might try looking at facts before posting.

You used the term "Oregon" without any research or information .Do you even understand how bills are introduced and passed? Did you understand this was a republican attempt which failed in this "blue state". You neglected to research which lawmaker and which party.

Personally I like and support many of Oregons Republican politicians. I think it would be a tragedy to have a law like this pass but your agenda on this thread was destroyed by your lack of FACTS.

Thank you Sam for taking a NON-Partisan issue and turning it into a Partisan issue complete with personal attack.

He wasn't trying to make this a partisan issue and it shouldn't be. He never said Democrats were doing this nor did he deny there were Republicans involved. In fact he never even mentioned a political party. What he did say was that wealthy landowners (otherwise known as yuppies) are pushing for it, which is true, even according to the article you linked. So why do you feel compelled to make it a partisan issue?

You seem more interested in attacking Republican/conservatives on this forum than you do are in responding to the issues presented. Everything is NOT a partisan issue. Some things are just issues of concern, regardless of which party is screwing over the people at the moment.

Damn Kix You just did it to me, I have to agree with you on this one. I did not see any political agenda in the original thread. Sorry Sam
I usually like to agree with you.

I really hate to agree with one I love to disagree with LOL.

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Kix this was very much a partisan issue in Oregon. Yes do not pretend ignorance...do you see his comment on the Maharishi Yogi in Oregon. He is referring to me as a Democrat and continually starts provocative threads with no research. I usually do not bother with him but because I enjoy outdoor recreation this intrigued me. He was attacking what he thought was a liberal poster in a blue state. If he had bothered to do some fact checking it was a partisan battle with republicans backing the elite so my link and post were indeed pertinent to his post.Do you really believe Nathan would have posted this had he understood the issues and who was tring to infringe on fishermans rights?

So Kix what is your opinion of Nathans thread? Do you think the republican stance of restricting river access should pass? It is political and partisan and Nathan posted it. Nathan fears this trend will spread to his state...well it might unless his state elects lawmakers that stand for citizens rights.Nathan began the thread by saying "Oregon" is trying to do something terrible to fisherman.

Please note Kix his last 3 threads on "Oregon" were full of misinformation and personal attacks on me and I did not waste my time on him or respond. This thread captured my interest because of the topic.

Hi R8d ..welcome back! I guess you have been gone. yes Nathans namecalling began in the first post. The yogi reference was to me. I think its funny and he has either commented with namecalling on most of my posts or he starts threads on Oregon news. I will pull up a few. He rarely has facts yet is quick to call others names. I really have ben amused by his fascination with Oregon or my posts. I will revisit a few of Nathans threads on Oregon so we can all see his character and how this began.

Sam, you can claim it’s anything you want but that doesn’t make it so. We aren't talking about personal vendettas between the two of you or the last 3 or 30 threads that he started. We're only talking about this particular thread. And nowhere in this thread did he mention you, Democrats, politics, blue states, or any of the things you're claiming. He only mentioned what I previously pointed out, that rich landowners are trying to prevent access to rivers that flow through their property. The fact is that all over this country the rich are buying politicians on BOTH sides of the fence to do their dirty work and the average American taxpayer/fisherman/butterfly catcher/etc is the one losing out. It's wrong, no matter who does it, so why not just discuss the issue (something you still haven’t done) and leave politics and personal attacks out of it. If you can't do that, then don't waste any more of your time or ours by posting this sort of partisan nonsense and personal attack garbage.

Kix LOL Nathan following my posts and namecalling such as Oregon yogi and liar are funny and flattering. Yes on this thread namecalling he began was mild compared to most of his insults but his lack of facts were transparent. I should have just researched it for personal information and not posted the facts because generally I do not even respond to his silliness.

While researching the facts came forward and it is a very partisan issue in Oregon.

Peace Nathan.. I am sorry this story did not make Oregon Liberals, Yuppies and Yogis and peacemakers look like the villians you intended. I should have ignored you like I usually do

I live very close to Oregon. My local tv is from there. Read the Oregonion every day. Its true the Reps. were behind this in Oregon, but in Wash. its the Dems. They are the ones trying to build condos on the beach. This is the rich against everyone else. They want to buy all the beauty and shut everyone else out.