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Old 12-28-2006, 02:02 AM
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Alright back to my vacation. The fighting like this is why I left in the first place.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:08 AM
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Because we know it is usless to do so.
His comments WERE stupid and childish and he did START the fight
I know he will never apologize to you he never has any other time.
Are you going to keep ruining a thread just to prove a point?
We already have posters like him that ruin enough threads as it is.
Rise above it call and him a penis eater and move on.
LOL. I ruined the thread? Ok, I admit I went overboard on the little 'penis eater' but it was all done with love.

I'm willing to do my part by refraining from snipping at his heels when he posts. That only goes as long as he never posts to me or reference me in his posts. I think that's a fair deal.

I'll make the first gesture of a cease-fire by removing the comments on my sig line and location line. Let's just see how long this thing lasts. The clock starts now.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:11 AM
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Thank you that is all I ask
No you did not first ruin this thread but you did keep it ruined.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:16 AM
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Thank you that is all I ask
No you did not first ruin this thread but you did keep it ruined.
How would you rate the commentary on my part? 1-10... 10 being funny.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:22 AM
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I don't know about him but I'll give you an 8
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:25 AM
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Back on topic... for now.


The minimum wage is just that... a minimum wage. It is not a 'living wage' as no one is expected to be able to support a family with it. The minimum wage is a starting point when one enters the job market with little or no skills. Gaining the skills or educating oneself is what is expected of an employee in order to make that employee more marketable to himself and other potential employers. The burden is on the employee.

Most of us only have three different roads in life when it comes to jobs. We either work for someone else, work for ourselves, or live off the system.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:26 AM
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Thanks! That means a lot to me.
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:07 AM
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Back on topic... for now.


The minimum wage is just that... a minimum wage. It is not a 'living wage' as no one is expected to be able to support a family with it. The minimum wage is a starting point when one enters the job market with little or no skills. Gaining the skills or educating oneself is what is expected of an employee in order to make that employee more marketable to himself and other potential employers. The burden is on the employee.

Most of us only have three different roads in life when it comes to jobs. We either work for someone else, work for ourselves, or live off the system.

Oedipus, I give you a 3 rating, because you seemed to egg on the vitriol.

As to your comment above, this Liberal/Democrat agrees with you 80%. My only problem is that some people aren't very good at "gaining the skills" or "educating oneself." I don't believe that if your highest job in life if the fry cook at McDonalds you should be relegated to minimum wage for life, but McDonalds probably does.

I wish you could have presented these arguments on page 17, until now. It's a pretty good one.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:36 AM
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Oedipus, I give you a 3 rating, because you seemed to egg on the vitriol.

As to your comment above, this Liberal/Democrat agrees with you 80%. My only problem is that some people aren't very good at "gaining the skills" or "educating oneself." I don't believe that if your highest job in life if the fry cook at McDonalds you should be relegated to minimum wage for life, but McDonalds probably does.

I wish you could have presented these arguments on page 17, until now. It's a pretty good one.


I view it like this... The world is not a level playing field. There will always be someone on the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder. Some people are fat, some are smarter, some are in better health than others, different racial backgrounds, etc. My point is this... these are all obstacles we must deal with on an individual basis and overcome on our own terms. Its the desire to these individual hurdles that define us from one another. No amount of Affirmative Action (racial profiling ) or upping of the minimum wage will change the basic character of an individual.
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Old 12-29-2006, 05:02 PM
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Raising Minimum Wage Increases Growth


I always believed, as do most Democrats, that the minimum wage should be increased and tied to the poverty level because of pure fairness. If we raised the minimum wage to about $8 an hour, it would reinforce the social contract that says, If you have a job you can support yourself. Ravi Batra, however, has demonstrated that increasing the minimum wage would increase economic growth, boost employment and be economically beneficial to all Americans.

Republicans are dead set against increasing the minimum wage. Big Republican Alan Greenspan told the House Banking and Financial Institutions Committee in 1999:

"My main concern is ... the issue of individuals who become unemployed because of the minimum wage."

Republicans argue that small companies would have their expenses increased to the point where it would kill their profits, which would force them out of business. When this happened more employees would be out of work. Batra's argument is the reverse: increasing the minimum wage would not change the profit picture of companies involved, but would boost overall economic activity that would lead to more employment.

The logic is straightforward. It starts with the following simple equation that defines the simple case of economic balance:

SUPPLY = DEMAND

When the economy is in balance, suppliers produce enough to satisfy the demand of all consumers. There are no goods unsold. There are no unsatisfied buyers. When productivity increases, that is, we can build more products with the same workers, the supply rises. If we increase wages a similar amount, consumers will be able to buy more to keep the system balanced.

Of course, nothing stays in balance long. Inflation is always with us to some degree. When inflation rises, workers' wages don't buy as much as they used to. We say that real wages have decreased. With the decrease of real wages, demand decreases. This means that some products are not sold, a situation that may lead to lower profits and retrenchment through worker layoffs. This is negative growth. It's no good for business and it's no good for labor.

It's especially bad for workers at the lower end. They had been struggling to make ends meet before their real wages declined. Now they are worse off. What would happen if we increased the minimum wage they received? Their real wages would increase. And since they spend every penny they get, this would increase aggregate demand. Companies on the supply side would sell more, make more profit and perhaps hire more workers. This is positive growth. It's good for business and it's good for labor.

How would raising the minimum wage affect the fortunes of companies hiring minimum-wage workers? Not much; maybe they would need to charge their customers more. Their expenses would rise. But so would the expenses of their competitors.

The improvement in the economy is better than what could be achieved by raising the minimum wage alone. Many low-end workers who make a little more than the minimum wage would probably soon get increases too. When they go spending, it would increase the aggregate demand further, thus enriching companies more and raising the possibility for more employment.

Let's increase the minimum wage to about $8 per hour and let's tie it to the poverty level. When the poverty level increases, the minimum wage should automatically increase a similar amount. Democrats are promoting this because it is good for business and good for labor - it's good for everyone.

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