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Old 12-28-2006, 12:28 AM
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That's the only level his kind understands. He was warned 3 times. He chose this path.
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:51 AM
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Yes but he insulted you not you family.
That is real low insulting someones family.
Why can't you just insult him?
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:06 AM
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I had to post on this.
First Rex i may not agree with Rasta but when you start insulting peoples family you have crossed the line.
This is a debate forum and if you want to be childish and immature then just take it elsewhere. Rasta has already proven himself to be the bigger man by dropping it but you keep going just like a little kid that doesn't know when to stop.

Now back to the topic on hand.
Minimum wage is bad for small buisness, the middle class and the poor.
I would post more but it would seem as if someone already posted what I was going to say.
Here are a few links though
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba499/
http://www.newswithviews.com/Johnston/patrick5.htm
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/comsi...=0286-10382475
http://www.raiseminwage.org/id5.html


The truth is, wages are no different than prices, as both are driven by supply and demand. As soon as you have governmental influence interfering with the market, the market is no longer determining the proper wage and/or price. Having the market determine these things is the basis of what makes free market capitalism so successful. If government (more specifically politicians) attempt to adjust wages/prices to what they see fit, this limits supply and demand from determining the true values and makes the economy operate inefficiently.

You will always find the shortsighted answers that look only at immediate affects, such as the statement that these people deserve more money because the companies making the profits can afford it. Obviously, that is grossly flawed because the immediate affect might be helping that worker, but the broader affect is it limits the companies ability as it forces them to pay more for a job than it is worth, which ultimately affects the costs of good and the companies expansion abilities, which affects jobs. A shorter view of the same thing might be that if you raise the wage rates, then that company might not be able to afford as many jobs, so effectively you are helping some workers at the expense of others.

No one who truly understands free market economics can ever justify a minimum wage. I don't know where you live, but in the US we are just lucky that the minimum wage still low enough that its typically below the market rate for all jobs anyhow, so it has minimal effect.


Let me close with a great example:

Let's say I own a small factory. The factory produces about $100 worth of widgets every day, and requires a crew of seven people to operate at full efficiency.

Let's also say that this factory operates in a country where it is customary to pay workers by the day, and that $10 per day is a low but acceptable wage.

Now, I could pay my seven workers up to $14 per day, and still make a $2 profit. Very tight margin. Whatever the profit margin is, the fact is that I can use that profit to pay for my investors, who afterall, took all the financial risk to create these jobs. Also, I can use that money for expansion, thus providing more jobs to more people. So perhaps I decide to the wages at $10/day in order to accomplish these goals, and since I have willing workers (I am not holding a gun to their head to work for me), then its completely justified.

Now, let's say the government passes a law, requiring that all workers be paid a minimum of $15 per day. What happens?

The first thing that happens, the day I begin complying with the new minimum wage, is that my factory loses money: $5 per day, in fact. I am going to have to close down this company, and suddenly 7 people are now out of work, not paying taxes, and have no money to buy goods from anyone.

In a nutshell, the government has decided that even though I had willing workers, that my product was not profitable enough to exist and took a viable business with willing employees and flushed it right out of the market on the basis of helping the workers. Brilliant
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:26 AM
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Yes but he insulted you not you family.
That is real low insulting someones family.
Why can't you just insult him?
Yes, that's very nice of him to stick to such high moral standards.

He had his chance (3, I might add) and decided I was an easy target. Now, if he's really such a 'bigger man', then why doesn't he just apologize and we can bury the hatchet? My guess is that he's a coward and you guys feel sorry for him because he bit off more than he could chew. His behavior brought about mine. His apology will end my behavior.

I cannot believe his constant rants of "Well Rex, FUCK-YOU VERY MUCH! and Merry Christmas!", and "EAT-A-PUSSY REX" is being condoned by you guys. Have you no shame at the double standards you're applying here?
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:27 AM
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I had to post on this.
First Rex i may not agree with Rasta but when you start insulting peoples family you have crossed the line.
This is a debate forum and if you want to be childish and immature then just take it elsewhere. Rasta has already proven himself to be the bigger man by dropping it but you keep going just like a little kid that doesn't know when to stop.

See my previous post.
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Yes, that's very nice of him to stick to such high moral standards.

He had his chance (3, I might add) and decided I was an easy target. Now, if he's really such a 'bigger man', then why doesn't he just apologize and we can bury the hatchet? My guess is that he's a coward and you guys feel sorry for him because he bit off more than he could chew. His behavior brought about mine. His apology will end my behavior.

I cannot believe his constant rants of "Well Rex, FUCK-YOU VERY MUCH! and Merry Christmas!", and "EAT-A-PUSSY REX" is being condoned by you guys. Have you no shame at the double standards you're applying here?
I expect stuff like that from him (He is a liberal democrat after all), but I expected more from you
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Rasta has been here longer than you have. Everyone else here know he can't argue without insulting, the rest of us usually don't stoop to his level though.
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:51 AM
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I expect stuff like that from him (He is a liberal democrat after all), but I expected more from you
I'm glad to hear that. Unfortunately, I tend to give more than I take. I was always raised to respect others. I was also raised to return a punch with a beating. That way, my adversary thinks twice about taking me on in the future. This is one of those times.

Like I said, this will end if Rassy really wants it to end.
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:53 AM
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Rasta has been here longer than you have. Everyone else here know he can't argue without insulting, the rest of us usually don't stoop to his level though.


I don't understand. What does 'seniority' have to do with manners? I've posted on other forums thousands of times but you won't hear me fall back on that as an excuse for my behavior.

Tell me something... why haven't you guys called Rassy on his behavior?
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:01 AM
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Because we know it is usless to do so.
His comments WERE stupid and childish and he did START the fight
I know he will never apologize to you he never has any other time.
Are you going to keep ruining a thread just to prove a point?
We already have posters like him that ruin enough threads as it is.
Rise above it call and him a penis eater and move on.
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