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12-18-2006, 11:39 PM
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Windfarms- a source to power to be tapped
I was reading today where one third of London homes will be powered by wind ( http://www.goodharborreport.com/node/859). It is embarasssing to see other countrys making great strides to reduce carbon dioxide emmissions and the United States just goes on with business as usual. I am sure with the amount of coastline the United States has, we would be able to take advantage of this source of power.
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12-18-2006, 11:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bfferret
I was reading today where one third of London homes will be powered by wind ( http://www.goodharborreport.com/node/859). It is embarasssing to see other countrys making great strides to reduce carbon dioxide emmissions and the United States just goes on with business as usual. I am sure with the amount of coastline the United States has, we would be able to take advantage of this source of power.
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once windpower becomes profitable then you will see wide implementation in the states. Not that we dont have any wind farms right now.
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12-19-2006, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
once windpower becomes profitable then you will see wide implementation in the states. Not that we dont have any wind farms right now.
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Actually it is taking hold in the Dakotas up through the Northwest into WA.
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12-19-2006, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cat's meow
Actually it is taking hold in the Dakotas up through the Northwest into WA.
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agreed there is progress being made. But at the present time there is low rate of return with money invested in wind. Each wind unti produces at it's peak wich is the moment it starts 3.5 mw. After that the law of diminishing returns take into place. Beleive i know. I was going to build a windfarm with a few of my partners a few years back.......
Not only that these units would have to be close to there consumption source because there is loss of current during transmission over those power lines. The average loss can be explained in this way. It takes 2,000 watts at the factory to light up a 20 w bulb in your home.
Last edited by gixaholic; 12-19-2006 at 07:30 AM.
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12-19-2006, 12:14 PM
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Gix,
I gotta see where you got this from " It takes 2,000 watts at the factory to light up a 20 w bulb in your home." Do you have a link ? No wonder energy is so expensive...
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12-19-2006, 12:18 PM
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On television the other day, I heard that George Bush while Governer of Texas made Texas the leading state in Wind Power.
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12-19-2006, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ken.e
On television the other day, I heard that George Bush while Governer of Texas made Texas the leading state in Wind Power.
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That is actually true.
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12-19-2006, 01:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gixaholic
agreed there is progress being made. But at the present time there is low rate of return with money invested in wind. Each wind unti produces at it's peak wich is the moment it starts 3.5 mw. After that the law of diminishing returns take into place. Beleive i know. I was going to build a windfarm with a few of my partners a few years back.......
Not only that these units would have to be close to there consumption source because there is loss of current during transmission over those power lines. The average loss can be explained in this way. It takes 2,000 watts at the factory to light up a 20 w bulb in your home.
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You have to have alot of land too. The other thing is do you invest in cows, sheep, crops, or wind. What is the best rate of return, as you say. I had heard a big interviews with a guy in Montana on this.
The thing about wind in Europe is they have great deal of Gov investment to do this. That is good or bad depending on what you do. I personally have a great deal of problems with the problem that the Department of the Interior has allowed mineral rights to be abused, I see that pouing over into the Gov trying to do this with wind farms if not used careful enough.
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12-19-2006, 01:31 PM
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just about anything but coal. Wind is the way to go if you have the means to procure the technology (wood, ropes, pulleys etc)!
Meaning we all could harness the wind with a little "umph."
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12-19-2006, 04:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 29times
Gix,
I gotta see where you got this from " It takes 2,000 watts at the factory to light up a 20 w bulb in your home." Do you have a link ? No wonder energy is so expensive...
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It is simple math. The copper lines that power is transmitted through is a good conductor of electricity. Even though it is a good conductor of electricity there is resistance in the copper. So there is a general rule of Loss per ft or meter depending on where you live. You also have allote of loss with Degrading the power to convert from HIGH Voltage 40,000 v down to 10,000,3000,1000,480,220, 120 three phase, single phase. Every time you step down you have a loss because the rule of the universe is that for every reaction you have an equal and oposite reaction. And this means energy and it means a loss. And this all before power even reaches your home or business. Now that you have the voltage step down it is less efficent in it;s transmission so you have loss there aswell. And lets not forget municipal grids are usually at 85% and you have some more loss there aswell. But it's all acceptably and all these calculations are figured in there business model.....
Anyway i could keep on going but i dont want to sound like a nerd
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