Either that or they will get a job. But you are right, there are plenty out there who would kill someone before they would stoop to the level of actually getting a job.

Just so you know I am one of those low paid people and I CHOOSE not to be on welfare, I sould get it I do qualify for it I just CHOOSE to work hare and cut back on other expenses. It is NOT the government job to take care of us. Get over yourself and quit whining about it.

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AH...the words of a leftist idiot.
We understand you just revealed that you would kill for your next dollar.
Those of us with integrity and ability are always ready for the likes of a murdering looter, a mugger, a moucher, a thief.
We look out for the thugs all the time, sometimes we're not prepared and their mission is successful, but their success doesn't last very long and up for the next kill.
The have not looters leave themselves with no other alternative but a welfare..
OR ELSE eh?
When there is no other alternative but to loot from those with ability, when those with ability are stripped of their riches they will still have ability to sustain a living.
What will you have?

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I take it you are a fan of Ayn Rand?

Skinny likes the pretend that quality decisions come from line workers rather than managers and CEOs.

excuse me george i beleive you have stated in many post that you have started and participated in that CEO are overpaid. One of your main arguments was that the little guy emplye is getting screwed. But here you are stating that THE CEO is Highly supirior in making quality decision over a manager and manager is highly supirior in decision making then a line worker.

So do you undersatand why managment and upper managment get paid more then a cashier or line worker

[quote=monkeyinthemiddle;74435]AH...the words of a leftist idiot.
We understand you just revealed that you would kill for your next dollar.
Those of us with integrity and ability are always ready for the likes of a murdering looter, a mugger, a moucher, a thief.
We look out for the thugs all the time, sometimes we're not prepared and their mission is successful, but their success doesn't last very long and up for the next kill.
The have not looters leave themselves with no other alternative but a welfare..
OR ELSE eh?
When there is no other alternative but to loot from those with ability, when those with ability are stripped of their riches they will still have ability to sustain a living.
What will you have?[/QUOTE]
who is we..you and the bandwagon of accusers huh? the bandwagon of people that don't understand that the only reason welfare IS around is so poverty doesn't kill rich.

you don't know my fights with evil...and how i eschew it.
...im a murdering looter...and i believe in jesus...

so i guess that would make me a hypocrite. whats more righteous a man on welfare that gives one of his last dollars to man on the street or a man that see's another man hungry and doesn't give him anything "because he doesn't deserve it" jesus didn't say its hard for a poor man to get in heaven..he said camels going through the eye of needle will have it easier then greedy people. well if i got a one hundred cans of tuna and you get one...i'll be going to hell like the rest of the people that leave their brothers and sisters in the pits. good thing for my soul and your carnal stomach i would give you my last can of tuna..you know why.not only because jesus set the bar too high for the feeble in minded and puffed up in their pride and "integrity".. im used to people trying to always get over on the next man..
kinda like corporations that shit on third worlders while rich people enjoy the benefits...
ILL HAVE GOD IN MY CORNER AT THE END OF THE DAY.
and to me thats all that matters...

and p.s. FORGET YOUR RICHES!!! a diamond means shit to an african boy slaving in a cave all day for it. but for those twisted with a rich man's mentality he will kill for it. too bad all poor folks don't have jesus mindset. and those are the ones that will rob kill and steal from the haves...

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[quote=Truthwrappedinlies;74919]truth you may be responsible and knoble in your use of our wealfare system. But beleive me you are a minority. I give you allote of respect for being true to yourself and not milking the system when you could of easily have.

But unfortunatly you are the exeption. Before the wellfare reform of the 90's you had generation of americans living off the syste. We THE USA where paying people to be poor. Very sad. And this system is still flaud. Just look at New Orleans and KAtrina. You had a population that was used to having the government make the important decision for them. Unfortunatly even when the government told them to leave they thought they where smarter and decided to stay.

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well its not to be milked for "what its worth" it simply exist because EXPECTED predictions based on analysis of economics has concluded the NEED for a "system".. so basically people OVERSTAND that poverty is a by-product of capitalism. america is like a pond..and lets say drugs are a stone...religion is a stone ..racism is a stone...education is a stone...money is a stone...you throw one stone in at a time..you get a ripple effect..now in order for one stone not to clash with another stones ripple effect all of the stones would have to be thrown after each respective "wave" calmed down..the thing is...they *society* throw in more then one rock at a time...and this causes clash in each individual ripple to form a resistance...or opposition to each stones effect. so instead of predictable circular motions you get chaos.. the media and homestead is like seeing ripple effects from different sides of the pond so we don't all see the same thing. and its my report of the ripple against yours...this is why there is social statics and social dynamics..its ultimately going to divide people...if everyone was on the same page could you imagine the things we could accomplish?

not saying blacks should receive reparations from slavery...i just expect people to understand that there is injustices and psychological backlash from that era that still plague the black man of today. *dimming ripple effect*

now as for the people involved in katrina..you're right they made their bed so lay in it. however, not everyone has money for transportation..not making excuses just stating debateble facts...and the ones that did have the money or vehicles should have got the hell out of dodge...and as is life...you have those that strive for improvement..those that are fine with whatever..and those that are ignorant. or blatantly assholes..and could give two shits about whatever..so its easier to catagorize them by saying katrina victims..but every person has their OWN story...the important thing is to understand why that persons story is like it is.. good point about people letting others make choices for them...and they let them make the choices up to the point they said " no more funds for hotels" ..well you shouldn't have been sitting on YOUR ass doing nothing to pull yourself out...right indeed.

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I would find it hard to beleive that poverty is a byproduct of capatilism. I rather would say captilism a byproduct of poverty and necesity. Capatilism has existing since the begining of man. The thing that makes our form of capatilsm so great is that it's attached to democratic governing body.

Through out history there has been an entrepereal spirit but usually there was a certain level you could reach before you started meddling with the kings or lords or bishops affairs. In our modern day america anyone can start baking cookies out of there kitchen and in ten years have the most popular cookies in the world and at the same time create millions(look up famouse Amos cookies)

That is what capitalism does. It lifts the individual. It allows the individual who wants to work hard and play his cards to do anything they want. It also
motivates the individual to better the his and his family's life with the best that can be provide. And when you have everyone trying to be the best and trying to have the best. You elevate your whole society.

Now when you have the government paying people to not work. What is the motivation for someone to go out and be productive. It really doesn't take much($$) to just get by and live a subsistance life. Hell even in a pure capitlistic society you would have people who choose to live this way just as people do now. But the moment you start paying people to be poor. Then thats when you will have a growing social program problem which we have now. Why work when you get your healthcare, housing, food for free.


I really enjoyed your anology. And i know you say if everyone was on the same page how much we would be able to accomplish. But if everything was the same there wouldn't be need for change. And without change there wouldn't be progress "even though change can leed to regression aswell"


As far as reperation. My bloodline in this country started in the 70's when my parents moved heer from europe. Now what do we owe the descendants of the slaves. And why should we have to pay. This whole reperations thing is just an attempt to get money for nothing. I can understand if the slaves still lived but not now when atleast 4 generations have passed.

Well im shure you heard about the hundreds of school buses that could of easily evacuted the whole city that where never used and left to be flooded by the storm.