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11-09-2006, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gdfather02
This reminds me of my brother in law. Dropped out of high school, too lazy to finish his GED, yet expects to make a considerable salary....this is the liberal mindset at work (or, better yet, at play). Many liberals want to live good, just on somebody else's dime....
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Yes, I have siblings like this.  Just yesterday my sister was complaining about the election but has never taken part in one election since coming of legal age (she's 36). It's too late for her I'm afraid???????? |
11-09-2006, 10:44 AM
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No one is advocating going back to the stone ages....
It amazes me; liberals talk of decreasing government, yet want to add another bureaucratic brick to the corruptable mansion known as the District of Columbia.
Minimum wage WAS never intended to feed a family of four, was never meant to be used to purchase a home, or buy that shiny new Lexus. It was never meant to be a means to an end.
It is a starting point; it is you, as the individual, and not big brother government, to gather the education so that your earnings potential will increase.
If you would rather continue working at that level, fine. But don't expect me to subsidize your standard of living at every turn because I chose to work to increase my earning potential.
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You can't even feed and house a family of one on minimum wage. Lexus, that is kinda of an extreme example, how about studio apartment in the inner city and food? So who are the ideal people to work a job paying 5.25 an hour. When I was 16 I sacked grocieries at a Kroger (plus we got carry-out tips) and was living the life. I am sure I could have flipped burgers, but I could not get a job in retail, I did work at a carwash for at the time 4.35 (1993) per hour plus the change in people's car (yea I took it). The reality is even with an increase, inflation will be soon to follow. So now I understand why we have an influx of illegal aliens, becuase business owners want to pay less.
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11-09-2006, 10:47 AM
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Liberals, answer this if you can: if minimum wage is the means to an end, why are we raising it by increments?? Why not raise that sucker to $15, $25, or even $30??
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Thsoe numbers are not reasonable and not even being proposed. Tell us what is reasonble to pay a person to say clean your office building? $3 dollars an hour? |
11-09-2006, 10:48 AM
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You can't even feed and house a family of one on minimum wage. Lexus, that is kinda of an extreme example, how about studio apartment in the inner city and food? So who are the ideal people to work a job paying 5.25 an hour. When I was 16 I sacked grocieries at a Kroger (plus we got carry-out tips) and was living the life. I am sure I could have flipped burgers, but I could not get a job in retail, I did work at a carwash for at the time 4.35 (1993) per hour plus the change in people's car (yea I took it). The reality is even with an increase, inflation will be soon to follow. So now I understand why we have an influx of illegal aliens, becuase business owners want to pay less.
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Firstly, what the hell is a wage earner doing trying to feed his family off of minimum wage pay for anyway??
Secondly, why is this wage earner being irresponsible, and choosing to have kids at an early period in their life, knowing that, because of his or her lack of earning potential, they won't make enough to raise said family??
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11-09-2006, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong
Spitty...this again is not true. I am a good employer and pay very well, but preformance based.
Some positions start at the minimum and some so not. I should get the option to hire someone for a minimum and pay them as they progress withing their position.
Do you have any idea how much work goes into 1 job turnover? People come and go, why should I pay them more for something I'm not getting.  |
If you are such a self proclaimed good employer, why turnover  ? I firmly believe that low wages under cuts the American worker and breeds cheap immigrant labor. |
11-09-2006, 10:50 AM
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Thsoe numbers are not reasonable and not even being proposed. Tell us what is reasonble to pay a person to say clean your office building? $3 dollars an hour?
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Hard to say..mostly it's based on square foot... |
11-09-2006, 10:56 AM
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Thsoe numbers are not reasonable and not even being proposed. Tell us what is reasonble to pay a person to say clean your office building? $3 dollars an hour?
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Why aren't they?? If we are to believe that the working poor need money to raise a family, why isn't the thought of these rates worth talking about?
Why doesn't a person who cleans an office not make as much as an electrical engineer?? Because, under our system of economics, a company can hire anyone off of the street, and pay them to do such a task, There is no real educational knowledge or knowhow needed to perform such a task, so why should I pay Tom, Dick, or Harry an exhuberant amount of money for performing such a task?? The pool for office cleaners is much too large for these wages to be raised.
Now, take an electrical engineer, which is a more specialized field, and the scenario is much different. It takes a long time time to learn such a trade, and the abundance of such workers is short of supply, yet high on demand. So private employers are, of course, going to offer MORE for these workers.
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11-09-2006, 10:59 AM
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If you are such a self proclaimed good employer, why turnover ? I firmly believe that low wages under cuts the American worker and breeds cheap immigrant labor. |
What undercuts american workers is the crappy government educational system we presently have in this country. In particular, elementary and secondary education.
Kids coming out of school with a middle school reading level, having no clue where Canada or even Mexico is....
If you want to make the difference, get rid of the bloated, bureaucratic nightmare known as the Department of Education.
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11-09-2006, 11:00 AM
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And what is your job? And are you single? And is your goal to continue making minimum wage?
You are in school, so one can assume that you do plan on RAISING your earnings potential.
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You misunderstood me, I do not make minimum wage, and I sell electronics at Sears.
I get 7.50 plus commission, not bad for me right now.
My goal is to earn much more than I do now |
11-09-2006, 11:01 AM
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You misunderstood me, I do not make minimum wage, and I sell electronics at Sears.
I get 7.50 plus commission, not bad for me right now.
My goal is to earn much more than I do now
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I apologize; reading so many posts... 
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