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11-09-2006, 08:38 AM
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Thef desire to help the working poor is a wonderful thing. But the fact remains that raising the min wage hurts small business and also raises the cost of living.
The entry level jobs are for younger people just entering the work force. As they gain experience their earnings will go up.
Instead of raising minimum wage, how about funding programs that will assist people to get more training so their earning potential is better. 
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11-09-2006, 10:06 AM
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As a former business owner I say this, it is the height of stupidity for a government to impose a minimum wage. It should be left up to market forces. There are some jobs that are not worth $7.25. The people in these jobs will be fired and the duties delegated to other employees. That's what I would do.
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We must set a liveable minimum wage becuase if the business owner could pay you less, they would.
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11-09-2006, 10:08 AM
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Thef desire to help the working poor is a wonderful thing. But the fact remains that raising the min wage hurts small business and also raises the cost of living.
The entry level jobs are for younger people just entering the work force. As they gain experience their earnings will go up.
Instead of raising minimum wage, how about funding programs that will assist people to get more training so their earning potential is better. 
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That won't help Rob, say you fininsh your training they will still pay you the MINIMUM and since you have more training, they will reqire you do more.
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11-09-2006, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by rob
Thef desire to help the working poor is a wonderful thing. But the fact remains that raising the min wage hurts small business and also raises the cost of living.
The entry level jobs are for younger people just entering the work force. As they gain experience their earnings will go up.
Instead of raising minimum wage, how about funding programs that will assist people to get more training so their earning potential is better. 
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Exactly.
Minimum is just that, a starting point, not a means to an end. It wasn't meant to feed a family of four, send kids off to college with, or buy that brand new house.
As Rob stated, education is the key to increasing earning potential, not the federal government. It amazes me that liberals talk of decreasing government, yet are quick to create another bureaucratic brick, and add it to the corruptable mansion known as washington DC....
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11-09-2006, 10:11 AM
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That won't help Rob, say you fininsh your training they will still pay you the MINIMUM and since you have more training, they will reqire you do more.
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This is not true Spitty. All employers are not monsters.
I will resent very much if I am forced to pay any more on the hour for entry level positions. I should get to decide!
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11-09-2006, 10:15 AM
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This is not true Spitty. All employers are not monsters.
I will resent very much if I am forced to pay any more on the hour for entry level positions. I should get to decide!
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Ok, we will just go back to pre-Indutrial Revolution laws. Would that make you happy?  Also if you want to pay a person so little, you only feed the need for cheap immigrant labor.
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11-09-2006, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong
This is not true Spitty. All employers are not monsters.
I will resent very much if I am forced to pay any more on the hour for entry level positions. I should get to decide!
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This reminds me of my brother in law. Dropped out of high school, too lazy to finish his GED, yet expects to make a considerable salary....this is the liberal mindset at work (or, better yet, at play). Many liberals want to live good, just on somebody else's dime....
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11-09-2006, 10:21 AM
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Ok, we will just go back to pre-Indutrial Revolution laws. Would that make you happy?  Also if you want to pay a person so little, you only feed the need for cheap immigrant labor.
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No one is advocating going back to the stone ages....
It amazes me; liberals talk of decreasing government, yet want to add another bureaucratic brick to the corruptable mansion known as the District of Columbia.
Minimum wage WAS never intended to feed a family of four, was never meant to be used to purchase a home, or buy that shiny new Lexus. It was never meant to be a means to an end.
It is a starting point; it is you, as the individual, and not big brother government, to gather the education so that your earnings potential will increase.
If you would rather continue working at that level, fine. But don't expect me to subsidize your standard of living at every turn because I chose to work to increase my earning potential.
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11-09-2006, 10:21 AM
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Ok, we will just go back to pre-Indutrial Revolution laws. Would that make you happy?  Also if you want to pay a person so little, you only feed the need for cheap immigrant labor.
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Spitty...this again is not true. I am a good employer and pay very well, but preformance based.
Some positions start at the minimum and some so not. I should get the option to hire someone for a minimum and pay them as they progress withing their position.
Do you have any idea how much work goes into 1 job turnover? People come and go, why should I pay them more for something I'm not getting. 
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11-09-2006, 10:23 AM
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Liberals, answer this if you can: if minimum wage is the means to an end, why are we raising it by increments?? Why not raise that sucker to $15, $25, or even $30??
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