lol@ minumum wage..its like having the game of poker won..and having all the chips...the cheapest chip is min. wage. and you have to give that to the other "players" to make sure this "game" keeps going.

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Huh, too deep for me. Can you explain what you mean by this?

yea...all the wealth that is "available" isn't really..

i mean me and you can get enough money to buy a business right?

sure we could..the thing is...is that the folks like pepsi/newport/nike/so on and so forth...allready PROBABLY more then likely...have invested in our business before we had a chance..

from the fundamentals of how money works you need people to need money otherwise its useless..so what im saying is pepsi/newport/nike has given us "chips" aka money to stay in the game..otherwise there game is over.

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Actually, people like me can get enough money to start a business. I did start one. Do you think Pepsi started out with millions of dollars in resources? Look at a little upstart company called Snapple. It was a small company serving the New York area until they advertized on the Rush Limbaugh show. Because of that they exploded and ended up selling to a major bottler.

Could we get enough money to challange Ford or GM. Maybe not. How about Harley Davidson, which actually has a higher profit margin than Ford. There are two companines in the United States right now, making motorcycles that are competing with Harley Davidson. (Actually there is a third as well but they are a subsideriary of a larger company).

The point is you can be a loser and think negative thoughts it you want. If you say "Ah, I can never do that" you will be right. But if you say, "Hey, I have a product that I can sell and grow the business" you have just as much chance as anyone else.

Only losers and those infected with "Stinking Thinking" believe the deck is stacked against them and that "They" are stopping me from starting my own business.

So, are you a loser, or do you just have stinking thinking???

i wouldn't call myself a loser i just find irony in the fact that in order to even cut corners around minimum wage being raised i can just send my job to india and make the kids work for damn near free...and make a killing..while they come over here to america...because i told them..i didn't promise i told them that they could make it..

only one in a million do.

the energy they put out in the mean time trying to be that one allready got my work done and my bank full..mean while that one will try to make it and eventually he will the other nine hundred thousand nine hundred and ninety nine others will get our work done.

so what im saying is that sure you can have a snapple but just know that somebody can always buy you out.or have enough money to start a business to put yours under...due to cheaper prices. classic example is wal-mart and anyother small business retail..i mean if you can put ames bradleys caldors and most k-marts under why wouldn't you..and who can compete with their prices?

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Productivity is up, Corporate profits are at record levels---it would only seem fair that wages and salaries should increase accross the board as well.

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Who are you to tell how a business should spend it's money. What if a business needs themoney they have made over the last couple of years to retool and grow ther business. If now there margins are lower. They will be more hesitant to put the money back into the business when they could just get 5% from a saving acount in a bank. So now instead of having this money pooring back into the economy it will just sit in banks helpling noone.

Gix, the numbers don't lie--if productivity and prosperity has increased for sm. Business's and Forturne 500 Companies, a fair-shared percentage should be returned/given back to the employees who played vital roles to make it happen.

Just b/c you own the business doesn't mean all the wealth and productivity belongs solely to the owner to divide or reward prosperity strictly on what he/she believes to be equitable. When you have this type of environment in the work place---more than likely worker exploitation will run rampant. Workers should be allowed to negotiate a fair economic return for their labor with their employer.

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If I own the business all the wealth produced does beyond to me. You, as an employee, are free to choose to work for me at the wages and benefits I am offering or go elsewhere. In rational self interest I am going to offer the level of wages I need to offer to keep the best workers. Who decides what you are worth? The government? Some outside group? Who decides what is a reasonable profit for me? I do agree workers should be allowed to negotiate but not force a fair economic return. If no one else is offering higher wages then apparently you are being paid what the job is worth.

What if I am willing to work for less than you are with the idea that I would rather have a job at $10.00 an hour then no job at $15.00 an hour? Who should decide how much I should be willing to work for? On the flip side, if every employer is paying $15.00 an hour why would I be willing to work for you for $10.00 if I knew I could get a job making more money?

You act as if employees were powerless little slaves that need government to keep them from starving to death. My experience in owning my own company was if I wanted the company to grow then I had to pay the best wages I could afford to attract the best employees to help with that growth.

Oh, Merry Christmas all and Happy New Year

I agree with you, dude. Anybody who puts in an honest day's labor ought to have their basic requirements met.

I think I stated before that the ONLY reason slavery was abolished in America was that ridiculously low pay rates become less expensive for businesses.